CryptoCurrency & Real Estate? Possible Future?

CryptoCurrency & Real Estate? Possible Future?

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The global real estate market is expected to grow from $2,687.5 billion in 2020 to $2,774.5 billion in 2021 at a compound annual growth rate of 3%. The transfer of wealth that occurs throughout real estate is unmatched, but it still operates in a very traditional way.

Cryptocurrency and the blockchain they operate on offer a solution to the traditional real estate market. The infrastructure to be able to purchase real estate already exists and there have already been completed transactions. For example, in 2017 a buyer purchased a single-family home in Texas using Bitcoin. There was also another use of Bitcoin to buy property on Lake Tahoe for 1.6 million. Many out of country investors are also very interested in utilizing such virtual currencies to diversify their holdings in United States real property.

So, therefore, yes you can use cryptocurrencies to invest in real estate, but why do more people not use it? One of the big downsides to cryptocurrencies is they are still very new. It is a new form of technology and a recent study in the U.S showed that about only 1 in 10 people understand how they work, while 29% have some knowledge about them. 81% of people have never purchased any and 35% believe they are a fad that are not worth bothering with. Based on those statistics alone it is easy to understand why they are not being more utilized in real estate transactions. For every real estate transaction, every buyer needs a seller, and the buyer and seller must be willing to transact using cryptocurrency. Those statistics alone make that seem very unlikely, but it seems in due time that will change. As many large institutions including Paypal, Grayscale, and MicroStrategy continue to pile into the space, widespread adoption keeps nearing.

As the market becomes more comfortable with the idea of virtual currencies in real estate, finding both sellers and buyers should be theoretically easier. Additionally, it is also likely the niche will develop around only a few central currencies, with the main one being Bitcoin which is seen as the digital version of gold. At the rate it is growing; one day in the future, you may be walking down the street and see a “Bitcoin Accepted” on the For Sale sign in your neighbor’s front yard.

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Los Angeles · Member since 2018 · 464 posts · 471 votes
5y

First of all, you say that Cryptocurrency offers a "solution", but there is no mention of what exactly is the problem being solved.

Cryptocurrency as an exchange medium is here to stay, there is no doubt of that. But then, so is gold and silver.

But do you really want to be in the group of far-sighted individuals who find out where the landmines are the hard way? I'm not trying to be a Luddite here, just warning that there are known and unknown pitfalls and somebody still has to fall into them.

Bitcoin in particular has a number of problems that make its use as a currency problematic. As mentioned earlier, its value measured in other currencies can fluctuate wildly in a short period of time. That's great if you buy something for a 100 dollar bill that only cost you $50, but how would you feel if the reverse happened?

Further, it may sound great on paper that the quantity of Bitcoin can not be increased, but the pragmatic reality is that, as we get closer to that max quantity, the time and expense of "mining" the next coin takes longer and costs more. There is no transaction fee in handing over a suitcase full of USD which takes place instantly. That can not be said for Bitcoin. There is a known, predictable transaction fee paying with loans or credit cards. Again, that can not be said for Bitcoin.

There are competing cryptos that seek to resolve these problems. But as far as I'm concerned, cryptos in general and Bitcoin in particular are not real solutions to any real problem. For me, I'll wait and let the rest of you explode the landmines.

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  • Real Estate Agent · Tucson, AZ · Member since 2020 · 4 posts · 4 votes
    5y

    Blockchain is super interesting in terms of being able to replace the purchasing power of the dollar. And as we see the fed continue to pump money into the economy with no regards to inflation or exchange rates (basically stability to the currency) alternative ways to spend that is not "institutionalized" with blockchain will for sure take over the space no doubt. I've been in the blockchain/crypto space since 2011/2012 when bitcoin was able to be mined with a personal computer. If you have any questions about it all please feel free to reach out. 

    Like I said the power in it is going to be about being able to control your exchange rate with other currencies and going around traditional regulations. The tokenization that @Cooper Raines mentioned is absolutely the future of where business and real estate transactions will head, but on the asset management side of things though It would be really interested to be able to use it as a form of economic empowerment for tenants. If anyone has experience with this please let me know.

  • Los Angeles · Member since 2018 · 464 posts · 471 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Eric Carr:

    I want to point out on thing about the volatility. 

    It's the price you pay for 230% average gains, every year, for the last 10 years. 

    And with the market cap rising, and stronger hands entering the game, volatility will level out. In fact, for several months ending 2020, maybe still even now, bank stocks were more volatile than BTC. 

    Block chain also has he potential to replace escrow services. Title. And more will come. 

    @Alvin Sylvain said there's no fee to bring a suitcase of cash to a trading table, but A. good luck pulling out hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash from your bank. B. having the bank just hand you your loan in cash (also has costs in origination and interest), and C. driving or flying to another state to make the purchase, without paying travel costs and the cost of time. 

     Two things. One, the price you pay for volatility is pretty steep. Most people, I think, would prefer a little more stability and assurances that what they put in yesterday will be there today. Never-mind tomorrow, we need it today. Which may make it a great long-term investment or store of wealth, but a lousy currency. Maybe there would be less push-back if advocates would just drop the currency idea and stick with what it does best.

    Two, I don't think your average criminal gangster or terrorist is too concerned about the difficulties of getting cash out of a bank. Most of them didn't put much there to begin with. Lets not forget, while all of us strive very hard to escape the watchful eyes of Big Brother, criminals in particular enjoy as much secrecy as they can!

    As to the personal travel time with the suitcase of cash; come on! now you're being picky!

  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 655 posts · 293 votes
    5y

     Two things. One, the price you pay for volatility is pretty steep. Most people, I think, would prefer a little more stability and assurances that what they put in yesterday will be there today. Never-mind tomorrow, we need it today. Which may make it a great long-term investment or store of wealth, but a lousy currency. Maybe there would be less push-back if advocates would just drop the currency idea and stick with what it does best.

    Two, I don't think your average criminal gangster or terrorist is too concerned about the difficulties of getting cash out of a bank. Most of them didn't put much there to begin with. Lets not forget, while all of us strive very hard to escape the watchful eyes of Big Brother, criminals in particular enjoy as much secrecy as they can!

    As to the personal travel time with the suitcase of cash; come on! now you're being picky!

     Volatility is the price to pay for performance. What else has gone up an average 200+% on average, every year for the last ten years? I never said it was a currency, and looking at it from Elon's perspective, he doesn't either. It is a store of wealth and it does the job better than gold. 

    What does any of this have to do with criminals? 

    YOU said there were no fees showing up with a suitcase of cash! That was YOUR idea! Ever try sending a large amount of money to someone in France? Fees, fax machines, money wires that require signatures, you and the counter party often need to drive to a bank or western union. Not with BTC. Send it anywhere, for pennies, in a matter of minutes. Try doing that with cash or gold. 

    As far as BTC goes, buy it, and hold for 4-5 years or forever. I would chose 200% returns over the last 10 years, even with the volatility, rather than leave my cash in the bank with its stable downtrend and loss in value. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Nashville, TN · Member since 2019 · 2 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    Newton's third law is: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. As the FED continues to print another $1.9T in stimulus related funds, the public is becoming increasingly aware of how rapid our fiat is actually inflating. Also, Blockchain tech may be the only thing that can save us from mildly secure mega tech giants like Google in the future.

  • Omaha, NE · Member since 2017 · 50 posts · 29 votes
    5y

    I've been thinking about this and how a real estate investor could tap and release some equity in their asset via NFT. Lets say your investment property had a LTV of 80 when you bought it 4 years ago. Now the property has appreciated in value by 50%. So you now have a property that is LTV of ~50 and the only way to tap the equity is through traditional channels of refinancing. Could you tokenize your property and sell off a percentage to invest in something else? Seems like a cheaper way to directly meet capital. The challenges probably get into establishing a lien on the property for the portion sold.

  • Member since 2021 · 61 posts · 75 votes
    5y

    Man, this is an interesting topic to follow...

  • Investor · Ontario · Member since 2015 · 486 posts · 250 votes
    5y

    Interesting thread. I have a position in some crypto. I only have a small % of my portfolio invested in the case of the landmine scenario. I had all of the above concerns and I am investing only in the crypto that have strong future use cases.

    Bitcoin is more of a store of value, a hedge against inflation and compared to a form of digital gold. It terms of utility It takes too long to settle, too expensive to settle and is old tech when compared to newer options. At this point I view it as Blockbuster vs Netflix. Bitcoin had it's time to own the market but I don't think it lasts forever. Not as drastic of an outcome but similar. It will still always store value however. 

    Bitcoin is also not in line with current government initiatives such as Biden and the "green" movement. That is because mining Bitcoin eats up way too much power. No environmentally conscious person will get behind this as a great new way forward.

    I also only invest in crypto that has a strong chance of being used by governments. I am not in the anti government camp. The government makes the rules. You can be as decentralised as you want but they have the final say. Remember gold was once illegal to own.

    The government is not going to sit back and let the U.S dollar be destroyed by Bitcoin. They will create their own digital dollar. We are already seeing CBDC's being created and the U.S is not far behind in creating one.

    - I am investing in crypto that complements the government's future plans and has the ability to host these CBDC's

    - I am investing in crypto that settles in 3 seconds, negating the volatility argument.

    - I am Investing in crypto that has 0 effect on the environment. In line with the most likely future outcome.

    - I am investing in crypto because this year the World Economic Forum was called "The Great Reset" Many speakers at this forum own crypto companies.

    - We are currently in massive need of financial upgrades at this moment in time. Fiat is on life support.

    I am confident in my position as being a better way forward than Bitcoin or Fiat.

    At the end of the day the governments will decide the direction and that is the problem. Better doesn't always get picked.

    "Around 1832, Robert Anderson developed the first crude electric vehicle, but it wasn't until the 1870s or later that electric cars became practical." Also where is my Tesla coil and free energy at?

    That being said, they could try to make Bitcoin work in some frankenstein way. The government could also sit back and let the dollar be destroyed by Bitcoin as it runs up to one million per coin. Massive uncertainty in the space atm .Who knows? Asset allocation is key.

    Massive volatility in the space atm

    Good Luck!

  • New to Real Estate · West Hills, CA · Member since 2016 · 15 posts · 15 votes
    5y

    Definitely!! The main reason being that blockchain technology will have significant changes in how contracts work in the future. "Smart Contracts" will live on blockchains and be executed through transactions based on an exchange of cryptocurrency. Cryptocurrency is just a storage of value, that right now is super volatile but I expect in the future more of them will stabilize as they increase in value. However, the ramifications will not be in using cryptocurrency, but "Smart Contracts" to exchange properties.

    Checkout these resources for more of an explanation on "Smart Contracts":

    Blockchain

    Smart Contracts

  • Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 118 posts · 90 votes
    5y

    @Bishara M. if you wanna learn about NFT's a great curated list of content here: https://a16z.com/2021/04/02/nf...

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