To P.O. Box or not to?

To P.O. Box or not to?

Renter · Hialeah, FL · Member since 2014 · 239 posts · 27 votes

Hello everyone, I was wondering what your thoughts were regarding a P.O. box for correspondence in investing. Is a strong enough deterrence for motivated sellers,buyers, investors or not?

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Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2013 · 111 posts · 76 votes
12y

I use a UPS PO box (at UPS store). The address is the UPS store address plus a Suite number. The suite number (which represents my PO box at the store) looks and acts like a normal address. Yet, it's really a box at the UPS store. 

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  • Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2013 · 111 posts · 76 votes
    12y

    I use a UPS PO box (at UPS store). The address is the UPS store address plus a Suite number. The suite number (which represents my PO box at the store) looks and acts like a normal address. Yet, it's really a box at the UPS store. 

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2012 · 205 posts · 112 votes
    12y
    I'd say if you use a PO Box, use street addressing (post office term). This gives your PO Box a street address so it looks like a suite in a building rather than a PO Box. You can find out more about this on the USPS website. Jerry Puckett what do you think?
  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    12y

    Agree with @Account Closed I would not use a USPS PO box.  I have used a UPS store address. 

  • Bill S.Pro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    @Lamar Cannon I thought the USPS frowns on that practice. Can you point us to a link that would have the details on that approach?

  • Renter · Hialeah, FL · Member since 2014 · 239 posts · 27 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    I use a UPS PO box (at UPS store). The address is the UPS store address plus a Suite number. The suite number (which represents my PO box at the store) looks and acts like a normal address. Yet, it's really a box at the UPS store. 

     I like this very much. This solves issue for me. Thanks

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2012 · 205 posts · 112 votes
    12y

    @Bill S.   Here you go. 

    USPS Street Addressing Link

  • Rental Property Investor · Buffalo, MN · Member since 2010 · 511 posts · 92 votes
    12y

    That's interesting @Lamar Cannon , I thought to that the USPS would not go for that type of addressing either, thanks for pointing that out.

  • Longview, TX · Member since 2012 · 368 posts · 131 votes
    12y
    Ned Carey why would you not use a USPS box? For all the hand wringing on return address, how can anyone quantify with any certainty which is best?
  • Renter · Hialeah, FL · Member since 2014 · 239 posts · 27 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Lamar Cannon:

    @Bill S.   Here you go. 

    USPS Street Addressing Link

     awesome,  another alternative. 

  • Nicole A.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Baltimore County Maryland and Tampa Florida · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    Just remember that there are certain things you can't use with a PO Box. For some reason, I can't think of an example, but I know this is the case.

    I personally use a UPS box, but I also have a LLC; therefore it is at least a write-off and also I use it as the LLC's main address on record.

  • Investor · McKinney, TX · Member since 2012 · 588 posts · 224 votes
    12y

    What are your purposes for the PO box? I have some rentals and they all pay electronically so I never get any mail from the rental. The only other thing for me is bank statements and junk mail. My LLC paperwork points that address, but people can easily find your address. I kind of regret having it now and have started listing my address as my home address.

  • Renter · Hialeah, FL · Member since 2014 · 239 posts · 27 votes
    12y

    I want to have an address that is not related to my home address.  I know it's easy to find out where people live, however I wanted to differentiate the 2. 

    I was reading the USPS street addressing agreement and it states you cannot use the address for business legal documents.  Does UPS allow this feature or no?

  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    12y

    @Mike M.  

    Because If you are marketing to sellers a PO box in the address would seem more like a business address IE: junk mail.  Also as stated a PO box is not appropriate for a company address. There is no one there who can be served.   

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    I would not vote for a PO Box.  However if you have one and decide to use it  then use the post office address then box number so it looks like a unit number.  Example PO Box 123 bakersfield ca 93312  converted to 3400 Pegasus Blvd #123 bakersfield ca 93312.   

  • Sumter, SC · Member since 2013 · 105 posts · 10 votes
    12y

    I use a PO box but I used to use UPS. With USPS you can now use a street address like UPS so it makes it easier plus it is way cheaper than a UPS and the address layout looks the same ( at least in my area)

  • Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2013 · 111 posts · 76 votes
    12y

    Yes, I use my UPS box for my LLC, and it is the registered business address. I receive legal docs all the time, from my company lawyer, closing agents, etc. I also use it as my return address on my direct mail. The address looks like this:

    7650 S McClintock Drive STE 103-287, Tempe AZ

    Now, don't be sending a bunch of junk mail and stuff!  ;-)

  • Renter · Hialeah, FL · Member since 2014 · 239 posts · 27 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Michael Quarles:

    I would not vote for a PO Box.  However if you have one and decide to use it  then use the post office address then box number so it looks like a unit number.  Example PO Box 123 bakersfield ca 93312  converted to 3400 Pegasus Blvd #123 bakersfield ca 93312.   

     What is your reason for avoiding a PO Box?

  • Renter · Hialeah, FL · Member since 2014 · 239 posts · 27 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Matt Ellis:

    I use a PO box but I used to use UPS. With USPS you can now use a street address like UPS so it makes it easier plus it is way cheaper than a UPS and the address layout looks the same ( at least in my area)

    What do you use as th registered business address since USPS prohibits this?

    Sorry for double post everyone.  I am on an android and don't have access to BP App yet.

  • Longview, TX · Member since 2012 · 368 posts · 131 votes
    12y
    My registered agent is my attorney at his building address.
  • Flipper/Rehabber · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    I think @Ned Carey 

    explained it well however to add... The reason is that we want the letter opened at the highest open rate possible so we stay anonymous and personal on the packaging to build a sense of intrigue for what is inside.  It is hard to be personal with a business. We cannot hug AT&T.

    If you care to test how intrigue plays on a mind then try the following...  This Christmas don't wrap any gifts. Just leave them in the packages and the bag they came in and put them around the tree... See how that goes...

  • Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2013 · 111 posts · 76 votes
    12y

    @Michael Quarles Are you advocating NOT putting a return address at all on direct mail, such as Yellow Letters?  How about PC or Zip?

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y

    I think the ones that want to remain anonymous have something to hide.


    My 2cents,


    Joe Gore

  • Investor · Willow Spring, NC · Member since 2009 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    I think the ones that want to remain anonymous have something to hide.


    My 2cents,


    Joe Gore

    Obviously you are entitled to your opinion. But, no, per Michael Q "The reason is that we want the letter opened at the highest open rate possible..." The packaging may be 'anonymous' but the message isn't.

    If anyone has figured out optimizing the 'open rate', it would be MQ.

  • Will BarnardPro Member
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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Chris Martin:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    I think the ones that want to remain anonymous have something to hide.


    My 2cents,


    Joe Gore

    Obviously you are entitled to your opinion. But, no, per Michael Q "The reason is that we want the letter opened at the highest open rate possible..." The packaging may be 'anonymous' but the message isn't.

    If anyone has figured out optimizing the 'open rate', it would be MQ.

    I guess I have to agree with that statement. As a landlord, I don't want my tenants knowing where I live or how to mail to my personal residence, so yes,mi have something to hide. In the context of how Joe stated his comment, I agree with Chris completely.

  • Renter · Hialeah, FL · Member since 2014 · 239 posts · 27 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Michael Quarles:

    I think @Ned Carey 

    explained it well however to add... The reason is that we want the letter opened at the highest open rate possible so we stay anonymous and personal on the packaging to build a sense of intrigue for what is inside.  It is hard to be personal with a business. We cannot hug AT&T.

    If you care to test how intrigue plays on a mind then try the following...  This Christmas don't wrap any gifts. Just leave them in the packages and the bag they came in and put them around the tree... See how that goes...

     How do we stay anonymous? 

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