Referrals for PMC in Eastern PA (Upper Darby, Allentown)

Referrals for PMC in Eastern PA (Upper Darby, Allentown)

Rental Property Investor · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 4 votes

Happy Friday BP fam!

Hope you are all doing well. I am looking at assets in select Eastern PA markets (Allentown, Upper Darby, Reading). My target asset type is the 20 to 80-unit residential B and C Class property. Does anyone have a reputable PMC they would recommend?

Appreciate your suggestions.

Ty

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Drew SygitBusiness Member
Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
4y

@Ty Y.

In our experience, the #1 mistake owners make when selecting a Property Management Company (PMC) is ASSUMING instead of CONFIRMING.

It's often a case of not doing enough research, as they don't know what they don't know!

Owners mistakenly ASSUME all PMCs offer the exact SAME SERVICES and PERFORM those services EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, so price is the only differentiator.

So, the first question they usually ask a PMC is about fees - instead of asking about services and HOW those services are executed.

EXAMPLE: PMC states they will handle tenant screening – what does that specifically mean? What documents do they require, what credit scores do they allow, how do they verify previous rental history, etc.? You’d be shocked by how little actual screening many PMC’s do!

This also leads owners to ASSUME simpler is better when it comes to management contracts.

The reality is the opposite - if it's not in writing then the PMC doesn't have to provide the service or can charge extra for it!

We have a 14-page management contract that we've added our real experiences to over the years, with the intent of protecting both us AND the landlord. Beyond the Monthly Management, Placement & Maintenance fees, all other fees in our contract are IF EVENT -> THEN fees.

We don’t know any PMCs to recommend in the area mentioned, but since selecting the wrong PMC is usually more harmful than selecting a bad tenant, you might want to read our series about “How to Screen a PMC Better than a Tenant”:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/3094/91877-how-to-screen-a-pmc-better-than-a-tenant-part-1-services-and-processes

We recommend you get management contracts from several PMCs and compare the services they cover and, more importantly, what they each DO NOT cover.

EDUCATE YOURSELF - yes, it will take time, but will lead to a selection that better meets your expectations & avoids potentially costly surprises!

P.S. If you just hire the cheapest or first PMC you speak with and it turns into a bad experience, please don’t assume ALL PMC’s are bad and start trashing PMC’s in general. Take ownership of your mistake and learn to do the proper due diligence recommended above😊

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  • Rental Property Investor · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 67 posts · 62 votes
    4y

    Hey Ty, I use Spade Property Management in Allentown and they're great.

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    4y

    @Ty Y.

    In our experience, the #1 mistake owners make when selecting a Property Management Company (PMC) is ASSUMING instead of CONFIRMING.

    It's often a case of not doing enough research, as they don't know what they don't know!

    Owners mistakenly ASSUME all PMCs offer the exact SAME SERVICES and PERFORM those services EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, so price is the only differentiator.

    So, the first question they usually ask a PMC is about fees - instead of asking about services and HOW those services are executed.

    EXAMPLE: PMC states they will handle tenant screening – what does that specifically mean? What documents do they require, what credit scores do they allow, how do they verify previous rental history, etc.? You’d be shocked by how little actual screening many PMC’s do!

    This also leads owners to ASSUME simpler is better when it comes to management contracts.

    The reality is the opposite - if it's not in writing then the PMC doesn't have to provide the service or can charge extra for it!

    We have a 14-page management contract that we've added our real experiences to over the years, with the intent of protecting both us AND the landlord. Beyond the Monthly Management, Placement & Maintenance fees, all other fees in our contract are IF EVENT -> THEN fees.

    We don’t know any PMCs to recommend in the area mentioned, but since selecting the wrong PMC is usually more harmful than selecting a bad tenant, you might want to read our series about “How to Screen a PMC Better than a Tenant”:

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/3094/91877-how-to-screen-a-pmc-better-than-a-tenant-part-1-services-and-processes

    We recommend you get management contracts from several PMCs and compare the services they cover and, more importantly, what they each DO NOT cover.

    EDUCATE YOURSELF - yes, it will take time, but will lead to a selection that better meets your expectations & avoids potentially costly surprises!

    P.S. If you just hire the cheapest or first PMC you speak with and it turns into a bad experience, please don’t assume ALL PMC’s are bad and start trashing PMC’s in general. Take ownership of your mistake and learn to do the proper due diligence recommended above😊

  • Simon W.Business Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Lehigh Valley PA & New York City · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 661 votes
    4y

    @Ty Y. It depends how much of a hands-on you want to be involve with the PMC. Not all PMC are created equal. 

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  • Rental Property Investor · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Christian Longacre:

    Hey Ty, I use Spade Property Management in Allentown and they're great.


     Thanks Christian! I will look into them.

    Ty

  • Rental Property Investor · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    4y

    @Drew Sygit

    Thanks for the notes on PMC screening; quite helpful.

    Ty

  • Rental Property Investor · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    4y

    @Simon W.

    Hi Simon,

    We are quite hands-on in managing our relationship with the PMC, we leverage the PMC for hands-on management of the properties. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia · Member since 2022 · 74 posts · 33 votes
    4y

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  • Daniel GoodmanBusiness Member
    Hamilton, NJ · Member since 2022 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    4y

    Hi - call All County Lehigh Valley (484) 261-6800

    Ask for Tom - he's fantastic and will treat you with the respect and professionalism you deserve. Tell him Dan Goodman told you to call.

    Best,

    Dan

  • Rental Property Investor · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    3y

    @Daniel Goodman Please pardon the delayed reply, Dan. Just saw this; will do. And thank you for the referral.

    Ty

  • Tom McGrewBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Bethlehem, PA · Member since 2020 · 38 posts · 31 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Ty Y.:

    @Daniel Goodman Please pardon the delayed reply, Dan. Just saw this; will do. And thank you for the referral.

    Ty


     Hi Ty - More than happy to jump on a call with you if you're still evaluating companies and explain how we're a bit different than most.

    Cheers,

    Tom

    All County® Lehigh Valley Property Management4.956 Reviews
  • Rental Property Investor · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Tom McGrew:
    Quote from @Ty Y.:

    @Daniel Goodman Please pardon the delayed reply, Dan. Just saw this; will do. And thank you for the referral.

    Ty


     Hi Ty - More than happy to jump on a call with you if you're still evaluating companies and explain how we're a bit different than most.

    Cheers,

    Tom


    Hi Tom - 

    Thanks for reaching out. Sure, how does this Thu sound, I'm open between 1-3:30pm. Please let me know if that works.

    Thanks.

  • Tom McGrewBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Bethlehem, PA · Member since 2020 · 38 posts · 31 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Ty Y.:
    Quote from @Tom McGrew:
    Quote from @Ty Y.:

    @Daniel Goodman Please pardon the delayed reply, Dan. Just saw this; will do. And thank you for the referral.

    Ty


     Hi Ty - More than happy to jump on a call with you if you're still evaluating companies and explain how we're a bit different than most.

    Cheers,

    Tom


    Hi Tom - 

    Thanks for reaching out. Sure, how does this Thu sound, I'm open between 1-3:30pm. Please let me know if that works.

    Thanks.

    Hi Ty,
    Sure. I'll shoot you a DM for a time.
    -Tom
    All County® Lehigh Valley Property Management4.956 Reviews
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