What's considered a BRRRR success in Canada?

What's considered a BRRRR success in Canada?

Rental Property Investor · Brampton, ON · Member since 2020 · 40 posts · 18 votes

Question regarding the Perfect BRRRR Deal. Just going through the ARV/FMV research. Of course the perfect BRRRR deal is to recoup all your money invested. Down payment + rehab costs + holding, etc. In the market I'm looking the numbers don't quite follow those guidelines. What if you only recoup your rehab costs? Both units in duplex are cash flow+ after all expenses. But you're still only in for your 20% down payment, closing/holding costs, refi costs, etc. Is that considered a win?

I'm looking at a SF and performing a MF conversion. Listed at 400K. Most likely go for 450K in our current hold offers/multiple bids world. Say 90-100k rehab costs. Should be able to refi to reach an ARV of 550K. Both units would be cash flowing $184/unit/mo. After all expenses including, capex 5%, property management 8%, maintenance 5%, taxes, insurance, utilities, etc. I estimated most costs, rent, etc. on the low end. My calculations say a CAP rate of 4.8% and COC of only 2%.

Would this be considered a good deal in Canada? Is anyone here doing deals with these kind of numbers? Would love some feedback. Viewing the property Saturday and they’re holding offers till Tuesday.

Thanks! :)

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@Michael Hopkins

My target is 100% investment returned at mortgage renewal. I don’t see a ton of advantages in buying all cash up here as I’ve always been able to refinance even as early as 9 months in. Variable rate keeps penalties low low low (3 months interest) and usually if you refi with be be same lender they’ll cover that if you ask and press a little. I target 2 or 3 year terms, 25-30 yr amm, and have been able to complete this each time without much hassle.

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  • Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Brian Murphy

    Do not do this. Ever.

  • Investor · Pickering, ON · Member since 2020 · 46 posts · 14 votes
    5y

    @Account Closed Is that because of the high interest rate?

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    @Kiril Nikolaev

    It’s because this is real life with real consequences. Buying something with next to nothing down on the hopes that you can manage a large scale construction project well enough to make a spread is unwise. “Even if you’ve got some room on your credit card you can use that to qualify”.... red flag with blinking red light with alarms and fireworks in the background. That is absolutely terrible and irresponsible advice. Leveraging every penny out of an investment is a great way to become a cautionary tale.

    Prices don’t always go up. Rent doesn’t always come in. And construction NEVER goes exactly as planned.

  • Investor · Montreal, Quebec · Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 6 votes
    5y

    Wow.  15.5% interest rate plus 2% fees.

    I would stop buying real estate and just lend money at those rates!

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