How do you detirmine the class of a Property

How do you detirmine the class of a Property

Member since 2024 · 16 posts · 9 votes

I am looking at a 4-family property that the selerl says is in a class B area. how can I confirm that?

where can I find the parameters of classes of properties?

thanks in advance for reading and or responding.

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Jaron WallingPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
1y

You need boots on the ground (you?) to determine neighborhood classes. A lot of the popular markets have maps created showing class but I'd take caution using them. Some of them are outdated and don't reflect current trends. A handful of quality flips, BRRRR's, or new construction can transform a neighborhood quickly. No map is going to keep up.

It's not a black and white thing. There's always grey zones of A/B, B/C, or D/war zone like neighborhoods. Generally speaking when you find more owner occupied properties and less rentals you're in C+/B class. A class is 90-100% owner occupied properties. Price to rent ratio rarely works in A class areas unless you go STR.

If it's a true B class expect to pay for it. Small multi-family is hot right now due to house-hacking (low barrier of entry), and future cash-flow. 

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  • Jaron WallingPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    1y

    You need boots on the ground (you?) to determine neighborhood classes. A lot of the popular markets have maps created showing class but I'd take caution using them. Some of them are outdated and don't reflect current trends. A handful of quality flips, BRRRR's, or new construction can transform a neighborhood quickly. No map is going to keep up.

    It's not a black and white thing. There's always grey zones of A/B, B/C, or D/war zone like neighborhoods. Generally speaking when you find more owner occupied properties and less rentals you're in C+/B class. A class is 90-100% owner occupied properties. Price to rent ratio rarely works in A class areas unless you go STR.

    If it's a true B class expect to pay for it. Small multi-family is hot right now due to house-hacking (low barrier of entry), and future cash-flow. 

  • Michael K GallagherBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    @Albert Gallucci this is the 64,000 question and I tend to agree with @Jaron Walling it's really not that cut and dry.  Generally larger commercial properties and shopping centers are easier to classify with hard and fast rules, but to the points above the residential areas really move very quickly and have way more nuance than most people care to admit.

    zip codes are generally way too large for my liking at least in my market to provide any kind of insights other than macro level economics but even then highways or rivers that cut through a zip code can end up with totally different trade areas.

    we can get pretty granular with cellphone data and with grocery center data to understand the trade areas and their true boundaries, but that kind of data pull is generally only cost effective for investors doing larger scale projects or developments, and honestly we still just end up getting on the ground and feeling it out, so I generally tell people that the money is better spent on a plane ticket and weekend trip in the area you are looking rather than any kind of "trade area" level data studies.


    and generally B class in 1 area means something different than another.  and then within that B area, there is likely nuance and their own levels of desirability.  

  • Real Estate Agent · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    @Albert Gallucci, the above responses summed it up perfectly. All in all, this is exactly why you connect and establish a business relationship with an experienced investor-focused real estate agent who will shoot you straight. 

  • Member since 2024 · 16 posts · 9 votes
    1y

    Thank you all who responded, I plan on spending some time driving the neighborhood and talking to anyone at the local coffee shop who will talk to me.  What should I be looking for? Quality and upkeep of the cars in the neighborhood, I though might be a good sign. For rent and for sale signs might be another. Any other suggestions for boots-on-the-ground observation would be greatly appreciated.

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2018 · 826 posts · 810 votes
    1y

    House care, lawn care, condition of cars, street conditions, absence of pay-day loan shops... basically all the things you look for when determining where to live yourself. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    1y

    @Drew Sygit  has a nice write up on classifications by letter  A B C D F. Maybe he will see this and post it.. I believe it to be very accurate assessment based on my personal experinces

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    1y

    Thanks @Jay Hinrichs.

    @Albert Gallucci as many have pointed out, in the commercial space of 100+ apartment buildings and offices, property classes have some pretty decent industry standards.

    We started applying these to 1-4 unit properties around 10 years ago, which you can verify on our blogs, because we saw too many newbie investors not properly taking into account things like, neighborhood status, tenant pool, property condition, etc.

    Unfortunately, there's no industry standard for this, but you can use some basic logic to think your way through your own Classifications. Below is some copy & paste info about our methodology:

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    Recommend you first figure out the property Class you want to invest in, THEN figure out the corresponding location to invest in.

    Property Class will typically dictate the Class of tenant you get, which greatly IMPACTS rental income stability and property maintenance/damage by tenants.

    If you apply Class A assumptions to a Class B or C purchase, your expectations won’t be met and it may be a financial disaster.

    If you buy/renovate a property in Class D area to Class A standards, what quality of tenant will you get?

    Similarly, if you put several Class D tenants in a Class A 4-plex, what do you think will happen to the property?

    So, when investing in areas they don’t really know, investors should research the different property Class submarkets.

    Here’s our OPINION for the Metro Detroit market (use as a template for your target area!) that we’ve learned in our 24 years, managing almost 700 doors across the Metro Detroit area, including almost 100 S8 leases:

    Class A Properties:
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.
    Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.
    Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+ (roughly 5% probability of default), zero evictions in last 7 years.

    Class B Properties:
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.
    Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.
    Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680 (around 10% probability of default), some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 years

    Class C Properties:
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation. Can try to reposition to Class B, but neighborhood may impede these efforts.
    Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, but 15-20% should be used to also cover tenant nonpayment, eviction costs & damages.
    Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores of 560-620 (approaching 22% probability of default), many blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 2 years. Verifying last 2 years of rental history very important! Also, focus on 2 years of job/income stability.

    Class D Properties:
    Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with little, maybe even negative, relative rent & value appreciation
    Vacancy Est: 20%+ should be used to cover nonpayment, evictions & damages.
    Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores under 560 (almost 30% probability of default), little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, recent evictions. Verifying last 2 years of rental history and income extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.

    Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

    The City of Detroit has 183 Neighborhoods we’ve analyzed.

    DM us if you’d like to discuss this logical approach in greater detail!

  • Member since 2024 · 16 posts · 9 votes
    1y

    Thank you drew!, you have put me on the right track with very clear and concise observations to think about while evaluating my market. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Albert Gallucci:

    Thank you drew!, you have put me on the right track with very clear and concise observations to think about while evaluating my market. 

     @Drew Sygit   

    keep in mind that many investors will just use the standard underwriting criteria. Of 10% management 10% reserves. not understanding asset class's. so when you get into a CD class your serves need to be doubled or tripled.. 

  • Member since 2024 · 16 posts · 9 votes
    1y

    good to know but I am aiming for B or A. You really cleared things up for me when you said class A,  3-5 years cashflow . I have been looking at properties and it seemed like the seller s  based their price on zero percent cash flow for the buyer. These props were in good areas so I am guessing that is why.

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    1y

    @Jay Hinrichs totally agree!

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Albert Gallucci:

    good to know but I am aiming for B or A. You really cleared things up for me when you said class A,  3-5 years cashflow . I have been looking at properties and it seemed like the seller s  based their price on zero percent cash flow for the buyer. These props were in good areas so I am guessing that is why.


     keep in mind true A class areas whould see majority of comps being sales to homeowners NOT investors.. homeowners dont care what the cash flow is or the potential rental income is only investors do.. So they price those homes at what a willing homeowner will pay for their personal residence.

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