experience with Hughes Private Capital

experience with Hughes Private Capital

Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 17 votes

I would like to know the experience of other people with Hughes Private Capital. In recent days I have been contacted by several investors and lawyers who claim to have a problem with Hughes Private Capital.

We do not have any NDA with Hughes Private Capital and we filed a lawsuit against them to get part of our principal back. Never received any interest after lawyer fees. Everything I am expressing here was part of a deposition where either Hughes Private capital owners or their CPA were engaged. During deposition they never refuted any of the facts that I mention here. We have proof of everything below. If you have similar experience, please contact my lawyer Noel Stout (Nstout at abdmlaw dot com) or Rich at NVlawyers dot com.

We invested in one of their funds (assuravest llc). We had to sue to get our money back. In the discovery process we found that most of the things they said were lies and they even misrepresented their experience credentials in the note world. Both the owners are uneducated in the finance world (one has a high school degree only). They used our principle to pay other investor's investment returns (which is very definition Ponzi scheme). They created a second fund using the same name and invested in similar instruments (non-performing notes). The notes they bought were not recorded in proper databases and they used 2 tabs of an excel document to track the 2 funds (how easy it is to cheat). While the fund was performing very poorly, they sent us statements every quarter regarding how our fund was growing as intended. When we asked for documents through court, they created a folder called (investor_name_waste of time). They gave away millions of our money to some note broker without getting much of the actual notes. So, the money was never put in any escrow account (which idiot would do so). The notes they received were never recorded anywhere other than excel documents.  They also mocked us by sending us a book called "how we sleep at night" etc. We have all the documents and proof in black and white. They paid themselves fat fees even though fund was losing money hand over fist. We were promised that we can withdraw any time after a certain period. When we asked for our money back they immediately halted all payments (or they said so). Does this ring a bell? That is when we decided to sue them. They settled with us just before the actual trial date. We did not get any interest, so it was a loss for us. The extra money we got went to lawyer and we had to pay some from our pocket. There were many many more inappropriate actions as related to financial transactions and record keeping

They also mixed funds by lending to other funds and then draining our principal in paying interest to themselves and other funds. If you decide to sue them, please include their CPA firm because this firm enables these 2 owners. The CPA firm knew about much of the fraud.  I hope at some point Nevada Securities Commission will look into this case because this is pure play ponzi. 

I can be reached through this website or pinaki at utexas dot edu. I will be more than happy to help anybody who may have questions about this company.

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
3y
Quote from @Pinaki Ghosh:

I will contact Nevada securities commission. I have screen shots that few months ago this company was offering flexible deposit accounts with interest. This is a highly regulated activity at federal level. I am sure they do not have banking licenses. Wonder why Nevada securities commission did not take any action.


Because most regulators need someone to bring it to their attention..  Although I will tell you on BP I just mentioned making a loan in Vegas. Some one sent a copy of my post to the NV mortgage regulators and it was not 10 days later I got a nasty gram.. Saying:  1. state of NV does not have a record of your Mortgage license we see your NMLS registered and licensed in Oregon but not NV..  It further went on to say that I am forbidden to make loans in NV unless I get a brick and mortar office and are properly licensed.  And that was just me making a comment that i would LOOK at a loan in NV.. Not that I did make a loan in NV and of course we would have checked regs before we did anything in NV.. So file your complaint its free.
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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Chuck Lamar:

    Jay,

    Thanks, I am in the process of doing just that, as Hughes was mentioned in this article:

    to a set of broken steps illustrates Cleveland's dance with out-of-town investors

    "The story of Exitos Capital, ... shows the difficulty the city faces in reaching out-of-town investors – and the challenges those investors can encounter in keeping track of their holdings.

    The company jumped into the Cleveland market in March 2018. That month, Exitos bought 27 properties – all from the same seller – for $611,000, according to county records. The company obtained more houses through 2018, until it owned a total of 43, by my count.

    Then the citations came. From November 2018 through September last year, the city filed 21 housing misdemeanors against Exitos, by my count of cases in Cleveland Municipal Housing Court records.

    Meanwhile, the company was selling off its properties. In March 2020, Exitos sold 17 parcels for $559,000 to Home Partners LLC, a subsidiary of the Reno, Nev.-based investment firm Hughes Private Capital, according to property and business documents.

    In housing court, Exitos was a no-show for most of its citations. Eventually, the court placed liens against Exitos for unpaid fines and penalties, according to county court records.

    I had discovered (too late) that Hughes sold me 3 of those 17 homes for $402,299, for which he had paid $213,000, and had not done anything to "renovate" at least two of them!

    @James Wise   Jim this one is worth a look read through the thread Not sure if you know these guys or not.. But it sure seems to be another Morris situation.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
    3y

    I used to hear the Hughes radio ads daily in Denver. Haven't heard one for awhile now. 

  • Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 17 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jackie Handlin:
    Quote from @Pinaki Ghosh:
    Quote from @Jackie Handlin:

    I have just sent an email to the legal department you recommended at NVlawyers.com.

    We have invested with Hughes as a lender and now find that the Guardian company is filing bankruptcy and there is no longer anyone that we can contact regarding our account. We have been to their office twice here in Reno and all the people there say they work for the new company formed and don't have any contact individuals for us to speak to. We have emailed and called Greg Hughes and several others but have had no response. Please advise the best route to recover our investment.

    The Handlins


     Please file a complain with Nevada Secretary of State immediately. There is an active investigation

     Filed a complaint with the NV Secretary of State. Hughes just sent an email saying that they are filing Chapter 11 bankruptcy next week.


     Do not allow them to file chapter 11. Force them to go through Chapter 7 - they will be in jail in that case

  • Member since 2023 · 10 posts · 2 votes
    3y

    EVERYONE,

    We have filed suit not only against Hughes Private Capital, but with all individuals and companies involved. KrchRealty right there too. The mortgage platform/company is "them" also. All have been served. They have co-mingled funds in every direction piercing their corporate veil from one end to the other. This alone exposes them from the protection of behind the title of "LLC" or "CORP" however it's the tip of the iceberg. They have lied, defrauded, misrepresented, and deceived. We personally went to our homes, and our partners homes, and have been horrified at the conditions they "guaranteed". My husband has met personally with the very arrogant Mr Noe and has communicated through multiple emails with Greg Hughes. Side note: Mr Hughes bought a plane and is updating his passport...hmmm...what does that tell you???

    We also have notified the SEC and attorney general(s) in multiple states.

    My husband was interviewed today with the Wallstreet Journal. (They contacted him). We have reached out to every news station and radio station.

    My husband knows corporate laws, and regulations inside and out and says "this goes back to the playbook of Madoff"...only they aren't nearly as smart. 

    Come join in.  We are going after them all. Numbers are in our favor people!  Jump on board

  • Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 17 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Robyn Shoaf:

    EVERYONE,

    We have filed suit not only against Hughes Private Capital, but with all individuals and companies involved. KrchRealty right there too. The mortgage platform/company is "them" also. All have been served. They have co-mingled funds in every direction piercing their corporate veil from one end to the other. This alone exposes them from the protection of behind the title of "LLC" or "CORP" however it's the tip of the iceberg. They have lied, defrauded, misrepresented, and deceived. We personally went to our homes, and our partners homes, and have been horrified at the conditions they "guaranteed". My husband has met personally with the very arrogant Mr Noe and has communicated through multiple emails with Greg Hughes. Side note: Mr Hughes bought a plane and is updating his passport...hmmm...what does that tell you???

    We also have notified the SEC and attorney general(s) in multiple states.

    My husband was interviewed today with the Wallstreet Journal. (They contacted him). We have reached out to every news station and radio station.

    My husband knows corporate laws, and regulations inside and out and says "this goes back to the playbook of Madoff"...only they aren't nearly as smart. 

    Come join in.  We are going after them all. Numbers are in our favor people!  Jump on board

    they have transferred the money to their IRA

  • Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 17 votes
    3y

    i wish  they were even 1/100th as smart as Madoff - these are morons - Jack was brilliant mind but lost his way. These are uneducated idiots

  • Member since 2023 · 10 posts · 2 votes
    3y

    They aren't safe. We will see them all in jail if its the last thing we do.

  • Member since 2023 · 10 posts · 2 votes
    3y

    By the way.... there are a couple hundred code violations filed back east (Missouri, Ohio) just for entertainment reading.  We physically flew back and stepped foot on 10 homes. We went to Detroit, Cleveland, St Louis, Birmingham.  These homes are what are "secured" by deeds to investors.  You would be horrified, as we were.  One of our homes even had a sticker on it "cannot be occupied" by the city.  Another home has foundation sliding and unstable so bad that it crushed the venting system and pulled the AC off foundation.  Support pillars teetering on an eroding pile of dirt!  A tenant in Ohio said he was offered reduced rent because 2 of the rooms in his home didn't have heat and he requested a work order on the portal. so instead of fixing it, they gave him reduced rent. (It's pretty dang cold in Ohio winter) and the AC doesn't work at all.  One home was in such a scary area we were afraid to get out of our car but did anyway.  The home had been empty for many months and there were bullet holes in the back. 3 homes out of 10 were occupied. One had been sitting for who knows how long,... siding mostly put up but just "stopped".  Windows broken, birds flying in and out.   Did you know that all real estate transactions were done remotely?  Electronic locks.  Tenant portal for potential renters.  Krch Realty didn't step foot and had no idea, (nor cared if they did) the conditions of any of the rentals or homes for sale..........  All the while Mr "I'm the King Hughes" was on video adamantly stating , "We do not sell homes to our investors unless they are renovated ("fixed up") and rented".   Is that so?!  I say no.  When asked about our homes and conditions, Aaron Noe and Greg Hughes said "that's the property management fault we aren't responsible"   Krch Realty was the "Property Management".  And who owns Krch Realty? Kyle Krch (aka owner with Hughes). HA !  Oh they "managed" the property alright... right into Krch funding, Hughes Capitol, Guardian, Hughberry, Personal, ...you get the picture. We invested in July 2022.  We flew out in February 2023.  Over 1600 homes are bragged by Hughes. If our little 10 homes had 3 occupied ( one is the one with the foundation issues!!!) can you imagine how many other situations are out there?         

    Then,....those really looped in, could "refinance homes, put the money back into the fund, and be a part of an even bigger investment".  Hmmm. Who is the company that did this refinancing?  Oh... and who owns that one? What is their relationship to Hughes?   (Can't give all our info away)..... once again sticking finger into pie after pie mixing apples and cherries however they see fit. It's hysterical!  I know there are people out there much more savvy than me (especially my husband) and if I can see the stupidity, one begs the question "what on earth were you thinking?" ...the answer?   They aren't.

    They should all fry.   When my husband asked him about his plane, stating he should sell it and give the money back to the investors that obviously paid for it, Greg said, "I work hard. I deserve to have things"...... and there you have it.

    Websites are all down for all of them....hmmm....wonder what's up? :)

    Doesn't matter if they file Chapter 11.  Go for it. Doesn't stop us in the smallest bit.  If investors would jump on board and provide their information, a judge can decline it. Or go to chapter 7 like was said earlier.  The more voice that gets out there the better.  Class action law suit... bring it on.  Meanwhile back at the Shoaf house, we will also be working on each individual and other companies involved.  We'd love the help since it's around $400/hour. But regardless .... we won't stop

  • Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 17 votes
    3y

    they have about 35 to 37 entities and many of them are tied to their IRA. The money was siphoned to their IRA.

  • Member since 2023 · 5 posts · 2 votes
    3y

    Robyn,

    We're "in" with you, already filed complaints with Nevada and Ohio, but we fell upon this "Bigger Pockets" sight as my wife was searching anything we could find on "Hughes Capital."  

    Can the attorneys demand (and get) a list of all the investors to make sure they are aware of what has been done to their "secured investment" even before a Class Action is filed?

    If readers (especially those with houses in Cleveland) haven't read this article (from last April), they should: 

    Door to Door: How a set of broken steps illustrates Cleveland's dance with out-of-town investors

    Guess who bought a bunch of those trashed homes in April 2021, through another Hughes subsidiary (Home Partners, LLC), who "sold" them to Guardian, and then to us, without any renovations (or renters) at DOUBLE the price they had paid!

    Rather than fly there, we got an RE agent in Cleveland to locate and take photos of our "rental homes" when Hughes/Guardian further defaulted the leases by not allowing us access into our buildings to examine their condition, once we saw they were boarded up and unoccupied.

    Our fear is when Hughes/Guardian now cancels their leases with us, we'll be stuck with a worthless property (no longer "managed" by Krch Realty/Hughes) that is more than a financial loss, but a major LIABILTY.

    Let's work together to get this stopped (both their escape route of Chapter 11, and their fraudulent business practices).  

    Peace,

    Chuck Lamar

  • Member since 2023 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    3y

    I could be wrong, but I think the Chapter 11 bankruptcy applies to the Guardian Buy and Hold Fund, rather than the Secured Portfolio Investors. Remember when they split them up into two distinct entities? Are you still receiving your reduced lease payments? Also, did you receive this notice from Hughes?

    "Dear Secured Portfolio investor,

    Please disregard the notice sent to you yesterday regarding your Secured Portfolio properties. The last email you received on March 30th, 2023 is still the plan going forward and nothing has changed. We apologize for the error."

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Robyn Shoaf:

    By the way.... there are a couple hundred code violations filed back east (Missouri, Ohio) just for entertainment reading.  We physically flew back and stepped foot on 10 homes. We went to Detroit, Cleveland, St Louis, Birmingham.  These homes are what are "secured" by deeds to investors.  You would be horrified, as we were.  One of our homes even had a sticker on it "cannot be occupied" by the city.  Another home has foundation sliding and unstable so bad that it crushed the venting system and pulled the AC off foundation.  Support pillars teetering on an eroding pile of dirt!  A tenant in Ohio said he was offered reduced rent because 2 of the rooms in his home didn't have heat and he requested a work order on the portal. so instead of fixing it, they gave him reduced rent. (It's pretty dang cold in Ohio winter) and the AC doesn't work at all.  One home was in such a scary area we were afraid to get out of our car but did anyway.  The home had been empty for many months and there were bullet holes in the back. 3 homes out of 10 were occupied. One had been sitting for who knows how long,... siding mostly put up but just "stopped".  Windows broken, birds flying in and out.   Did you know that all real estate transactions were done remotely?  Electronic locks.  Tenant portal for potential renters.  Krch Realty didn't step foot and had no idea, (nor cared if they did) the conditions of any of the rentals or homes for sale..........  All the while Mr "I'm the King Hughes" was on video adamantly stating , "We do not sell homes to our investors unless they are renovated ("fixed up") and rented".   Is that so?!  I say no.  When asked about our homes and conditions, Aaron Noe and Greg Hughes said "that's the property management fault we aren't responsible"   Krch Realty was the "Property Management".  And who owns Krch Realty? Kyle Krch (aka owner with Hughes). HA !  Oh they "managed" the property alright... right into Krch funding, Hughes Capitol, Guardian, Hughberry, Personal, ...you get the picture. We invested in July 2022.  We flew out in February 2023.  Over 1600 homes are bragged by Hughes. If our little 10 homes had 3 occupied ( one is the one with the foundation issues!!!) can you imagine how many other situations are out there?         

    Then,....those really looped in, could "refinance homes, put the money back into the fund, and be a part of an even bigger investment".  Hmmm. Who is the company that did this refinancing?  Oh... and who owns that one? What is their relationship to Hughes?   (Can't give all our info away)..... once again sticking finger into pie after pie mixing apples and cherries however they see fit. It's hysterical!  I know there are people out there much more savvy than me (especially my husband) and if I can see the stupidity, one begs the question "what on earth were you thinking?" ...the answer?   They aren't.

    They should all fry.   When my husband asked him about his plane, stating he should sell it and give the money back to the investors that obviously paid for it, Greg said, "I work hard. I deserve to have things"...... and there you have it.

    Websites are all down for all of them....hmmm....wonder what's up? :)

    Doesn't matter if they file Chapter 11.  Go for it. Doesn't stop us in the smallest bit.  If investors would jump on board and provide their information, a judge can decline it. Or go to chapter 7 like was said earlier.  The more voice that gets out there the better.  Class action law suit... bring it on.  Meanwhile back at the Shoaf house, we will also be working on each individual and other companies involved.  We'd love the help since it's around $400/hour. But regardless .... we won't stop


    You all got dragged into the hood.. this theme repeats itself quite a bit in those markets..  Just read the Clayton Morris saga here on BP.. different city it was Indy. These type of assets are not appropriate for this type of set up the ONLY investors that make these work are locals who do this for a living working collecting rent in the poorest neighborhoods of the US.
  • Member since 2023 · 10 posts · 2 votes
    3y

    So we demanded control and deeds of our homes.  We have taken them over just like our other rentals and will either keep them or sell some of them to recoup losses. 

    Hughes made us sign a form that said we wouldn’t go after them…. Or they wouldn’t turn our homes over.  That’s called blackmail folks 

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Robyn Shoaf:

    By the way.... there are a couple hundred code violations filed back east (Missouri, Ohio) just for entertainment reading.  We physically flew back and stepped foot on 10 homes. We went to Detroit, Cleveland, St Louis, Birmingham.  These homes are what are "secured" by deeds to investors.  You would be horrified, as we were.  One of our homes even had a sticker on it "cannot be occupied" by the city.  Another home has foundation sliding and unstable so bad that it crushed the venting system and pulled the AC off foundation.  Support pillars teetering on an eroding pile of dirt!  A tenant in Ohio said he was offered reduced rent because 2 of the rooms in his home didn't have heat and he requested a work order on the portal. so instead of fixing it, they gave him reduced rent. (It's pretty dang cold in Ohio winter) and the AC doesn't work at all.  One home was in such a scary area we were afraid to get out of our car but did anyway.  The home had been empty for many months and there were bullet holes in the back. 3 homes out of 10 were occupied. One had been sitting for who knows how long,... siding mostly put up but just "stopped".  Windows broken, birds flying in and out.   Did you know that all real estate transactions were done remotely?  Electronic locks.  Tenant portal for potential renters.  Krch Realty didn't step foot and had no idea, (nor cared if they did) the conditions of any of the rentals or homes for sale..........  All the while Mr "I'm the King Hughes" was on video adamantly stating , "We do not sell homes to our investors unless they are renovated ("fixed up") and rented".   Is that so?!  I say no.  When asked about our homes and conditions, Aaron Noe and Greg Hughes said "that's the property management fault we aren't responsible"   Krch Realty was the "Property Management".  And who owns Krch Realty? Kyle Krch (aka owner with Hughes). HA !  Oh they "managed" the property alright... right into Krch funding, Hughes Capitol, Guardian, Hughberry, Personal, ...you get the picture. We invested in July 2022.  We flew out in February 2023.  Over 1600 homes are bragged by Hughes. If our little 10 homes had 3 occupied ( one is the one with the foundation issues!!!) can you imagine how many other situations are out there?         

    Then,....those really looped in, could "refinance homes, put the money back into the fund, and be a part of an even bigger investment".  Hmmm. Who is the company that did this refinancing?  Oh... and who owns that one? What is their relationship to Hughes?   (Can't give all our info away)..... once again sticking finger into pie after pie mixing apples and cherries however they see fit. It's hysterical!  I know there are people out there much more savvy than me (especially my husband) and if I can see the stupidity, one begs the question "what on earth were you thinking?" ...the answer?   They aren't.

    They should all fry.   When my husband asked him about his plane, stating he should sell it and give the money back to the investors that obviously paid for it, Greg said, "I work hard. I deserve to have things"...... and there you have it.

    Websites are all down for all of them....hmmm....wonder what's up? :)

    Doesn't matter if they file Chapter 11.  Go for it. Doesn't stop us in the smallest bit.  If investors would jump on board and provide their information, a judge can decline it. Or go to chapter 7 like was said earlier.  The more voice that gets out there the better.  Class action law suit... bring it on.  Meanwhile back at the Shoaf house, we will also be working on each individual and other companies involved.  We'd love the help since it's around $400/hour. But regardless .... we won't stop


    You all got dragged into the hood.. this theme repeats itself quite a bit in those markets..  Just read the Clayton Morris saga here on BP.. different city it was Indy. These type of assets are not appropriate for this type of set up the ONLY investors that make these work are locals who do this for a living working collecting rent in the poorest neighborhoods of the US.

     a long time ago there were hundred of Class A/B SF syndication in FL, wondering the outcome today.

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Michael Jons:

    I could be wrong, but I think the Chapter 11 bankruptcy applies to the Guardian Buy and Hold Fund, rather than the Secured Portfolio Investors. Remember when they split them up into two distinct entities? Are you still receiving your reduced lease payments? Also, did you receive this notice from Hughes?

    "Dear Secured Portfolio investor,

    Please disregard the notice sent to you yesterday regarding your Secured Portfolio properties. The last email you received on March 30th, 2023 is still the plan going forward and nothing has changed. We apologize for the error."


     I think Krch name is coming from his in-law.

    For secured fund/Guardian buy and hold, the way it works is they acquire a 40k house in flooding zone and sell it to investors as 100k with minimum rehab. If you download all their houses, it was located in very questionable neighborhood.

    It's kinda of ponzi with glorified Class C/D Single family as asset. I think for the first few years, investor is actually purchasing its own interest rate.

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    but to be honest many Funds syndication is working almost in a similar manner....esp those that involve in "Opportunity Zones" aka Class C/D re-investment projects.

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Robyn Shoaf:

    By the way.... there are a couple hundred code violations filed back east (Missouri, Ohio) just for entertainment reading.  We physically flew back and stepped foot on 10 homes. We went to Detroit, Cleveland, St Louis, Birmingham.  These homes are what are "secured" by deeds to investors.  You would be horrified, as we were.  One of our homes even had a sticker on it "cannot be occupied" by the city.  Another home has foundation sliding and unstable so bad that it crushed the venting system and pulled the AC off foundation.  Support pillars teetering on an eroding pile of dirt!  A tenant in Ohio said he was offered reduced rent because 2 of the rooms in his home didn't have heat and he requested a work order on the portal. so instead of fixing it, they gave him reduced rent. (It's pretty dang cold in Ohio winter) and the AC doesn't work at all.  One home was in such a scary area we were afraid to get out of our car but did anyway.  The home had been empty for many months and there were bullet holes in the back. 3 homes out of 10 were occupied. One had been sitting for who knows how long,... siding mostly put up but just "stopped".  Windows broken, birds flying in and out.   Did you know that all real estate transactions were done remotely?  Electronic locks.  Tenant portal for potential renters.  Krch Realty didn't step foot and had no idea, (nor cared if they did) the conditions of any of the rentals or homes for sale..........  All the while Mr "I'm the King Hughes" was on video adamantly stating , "We do not sell homes to our investors unless they are renovated ("fixed up") and rented".   Is that so?!  I say no.  When asked about our homes and conditions, Aaron Noe and Greg Hughes said "that's the property management fault we aren't responsible"   Krch Realty was the "Property Management".  And who owns Krch Realty? Kyle Krch (aka owner with Hughes). HA !  Oh they "managed" the property alright... right into Krch funding, Hughes Capitol, Guardian, Hughberry, Personal, ...you get the picture. We invested in July 2022.  We flew out in February 2023.  Over 1600 homes are bragged by Hughes. If our little 10 homes had 3 occupied ( one is the one with the foundation issues!!!) can you imagine how many other situations are out there?         

    Then,....those really looped in, could "refinance homes, put the money back into the fund, and be a part of an even bigger investment".  Hmmm. Who is the company that did this refinancing?  Oh... and who owns that one? What is their relationship to Hughes?   (Can't give all our info away)..... once again sticking finger into pie after pie mixing apples and cherries however they see fit. It's hysterical!  I know there are people out there much more savvy than me (especially my husband) and if I can see the stupidity, one begs the question "what on earth were you thinking?" ...the answer?   They aren't.

    They should all fry.   When my husband asked him about his plane, stating he should sell it and give the money back to the investors that obviously paid for it, Greg said, "I work hard. I deserve to have things"...... and there you have it.

    Websites are all down for all of them....hmmm....wonder what's up? :)

    Doesn't matter if they file Chapter 11.  Go for it. Doesn't stop us in the smallest bit.  If investors would jump on board and provide their information, a judge can decline it. Or go to chapter 7 like was said earlier.  The more voice that gets out there the better.  Class action law suit... bring it on.  Meanwhile back at the Shoaf house, we will also be working on each individual and other companies involved.  We'd love the help since it's around $400/hour. But regardless .... we won't stop


    You all got dragged into the hood.. this theme repeats itself quite a bit in those markets..  Just read the Clayton Morris saga here on BP.. different city it was Indy. These type of assets are not appropriate for this type of set up the ONLY investors that make these work are locals who do this for a living working collecting rent in the poorest neighborhoods of the US.

     Also Jay, there's another Funds/QoZ in Class A asset in Tampa,FL that was under SEC receivership from a few years ago. I think anyone who "guarantee" an 8% return from Single Family asset gets burned these days.....

  • Member since 2023 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    3y
    I invested a total of $422,000 in the Vista fund beginning in 2018 and was reinvesting my dividend until retirement in January 2021 then began drawing the monthly dividend. My valuation was $450,000 (investment plus accrued dividends) until the following posted notice was received April 7, 2023. By my understanding Hughes Capital and the multiple funds will be filing bankruptcy this week if they didn't already do so. There will most probably be class action lawsuits for all of us to join after the filings and the web of multiple funds, corporations and relationships to one another are identified.

    Was there "written" misrepresentations? Was there "written" misrepresentations with fraudulent intent? Was there misappropriation of funds? I feel strongly the answers to those questions will be forthcoming very soon.

    In the mean time (sorry-I have to joke a little so I don't cry) I suggest you all take a vacation to one the four airbnb homes that I may own a percentage of in Scottsdale, AZ (read below).

    Dear Valued Vista Investor,

    We have unfortunate news to report. The loan with Vista has become impaired over the last few months and is now part of a settlement distribution agreement of the assets it was tied to for cash flow.

    The Guardian Fund, which has homes in the Midwest, was temporarily closed in December 2022. Over the last 120 days, we have been working through

    that closure to resolve it with a stabilization plan. Guardian was compelled to enter a Chapter 11 reorganization bankruptcy through that process. The control has now been transferred to the bankruptcy court for Guardian, removing Hughes Private Capital (HPC) as its manager.

    This affects Vista because both Vista and Guardian had loans with 12 Bridges.12 Bridges is the acquisition company owned by HPC. 12 Bridges borrowed money from Guardian and Vista to purchase and rehab homes. Once the properties were completed, they would be sold back to Guardian at an increased price. The loan would be paid down, and revenue would be generated for HPC.

    Due to the temporary closing of Guardian, HPC could no longer sell additional properties to Guardian or outside investors. This reduced HPC's revenue by 90%, making it unable to continue in business and no longer service the debt for Vista and Guardian.

    At the time, 12 Bridges was working to stabilize 184 properties in the Midwest and no longer had the revenue to service the $25 million note with Guardian and

    the $7 million note with Vista.

    Using a third-party valuation system and discounting for the deteriorated, pre-rehab value of the Home Partners assets, we estimate them to be worth $18 million. This includes the 184 properties in the Midwest and the remaining fractionalized equity portion of the Hughberry four short-term rentals in Scottsdale, AZ.

    HPC will arrange the transfer of a pro-rata share of the 12 Bridges assets to Vista of the four short-term rentals in Scottsdale valued at $3,209,709 to cover the shortfall partially.

    Currently, there is $7,000,647 in the capital accounts for Vista investors, leaving a $3,790,938 impairment with the Vista loan. This will adjust all Vista capital accounts to 45.8% of their current value. The monthly dividends you have been receiving will no longer be paid out. Your return now will be calculated and paid from the investment in the short-term rentals. All of this will be subject to court approval.

    For your review, here are the Airbnb listings for each of the four Hughberry Homes.

    We are working with our securities attorney on properly structuring this for Vista's portion in the short-term rental homes. Here is a general
    outline of how we expect it to be structured.

    Vista will own a fractionalized interest of $3,209,709 in the four homes.

    Moving forward, you will be paid the net profits on your pro-rata share of ownership from the short-term rental's Net Operating Income (NOI) less
    debt service.

    Any net profits will be distributed quarterly. For Q2 2023, the quarterly net profits on your capital account will be paid out at the end of the

    first month of the following quarter.

    The short-term rentals have a targeted 7% preferred return. Once the 7% preferred return is met, there is a split of 50/50 with the management company. The

    properties will most likely not produce a 7% return in the following 12 months since they are new to the market.

    The targeted Internal Rate of Return (IRR) is 10% to 16% (including tax benefits).The targeted IRR would be realized upon the sale of the properties. The

    expected hold period is 5 to 10 years.

    Currently, it is not possible to offer redemptions. Later in the year, we plan to start offering to sell the fractionalized equity portions of the homes

    to 1031 exchange investors. This would provide redemptions for Vista investors. The cash from the sale would be distributed to Vista investors pro-rata for those who choose to redeem.

    In summary, we forecast a 2.5% return over the next 12 months and a 7.4% return over the following 12 months.
  • Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 17 votes
    3y

    "Currently, it is not possible to offer redemptions. Later in the year, we plan to start offering to sell the fractionalized equity portions of the homes"

    the new scheme can be seen in this website - another ponzi scheme from the same promoters who sunk the boat for all the previous projects - who can forget their great contribution to the world of investment (lol) - this is so hilarious

    Kizan 7 - Effortless Real Estate Investing - Kizan 7

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Pinaki Ghosh:

    "Currently, it is not possible to offer redemptions. Later in the year, we plan to start offering to sell the fractionalized equity portions of the homes"

    the new scheme can be seen in this website - another ponzi scheme from the same promoters who sunk the boat for all the previous projects - who can forget their great contribution to the world of investment (lol) - this is so hilarious

    Kizan 7 - Effortless Real Estate Investing - Kizan 7


    the lawyers and bankruptcy trustee are going to make a nice chunk of change unraveling this mess.. You are the lucky one to get out of that deal with your capital VERY VERY Lucky and SMart to move on them when you did.  I suspect IRS will get into as well as other regulators.
  • Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 17 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Pinaki Ghosh:

    "Currently, it is not possible to offer redemptions. Later in the year, we plan to start offering to sell the fractionalized equity portions of the homes"

    the new scheme can be seen in this website - another ponzi scheme from the same promoters who sunk the boat for all the previous projects - who can forget their great contribution to the world of investment (lol) - this is so hilarious

    Kizan 7 - Effortless Real Estate Investing - Kizan 7


    the lawyers and bankruptcy trustee are going to make a nice chunk of change unraveling this mess.. You are the lucky one to get out of that deal with your capital VERY VERY Lucky and SMart to move on them when you did.  I suspect IRS will get into as well as other regulators.

     we acted when we saw the discrepancy between their quartly number and K1. Actually their CPA knew about the entire scheme

  • Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 17 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Chuck Lamar:

    Robyn,

    We're "in" with you, already filed complaints with Nevada and Ohio, but we fell upon this "Bigger Pockets" sight as my wife was searching anything we could find on "Hughes Capital."  

    Can the attorneys demand (and get) a list of all the investors to make sure they are aware of what has been done to their "secured investment" even before a Class Action is filed?

    If readers (especially those with houses in Cleveland) haven't read this article (from last April), they should: 

    Door to Door: How a set of broken steps illustrates Cleveland's dance with out-of-town investors

    Guess who bought a bunch of those trashed homes in April 2021, through another Hughes subsidiary (Home Partners, LLC), who "sold" them to Guardian, and then to us, without any renovations (or renters) at DOUBLE the price they had paid!

    Rather than fly there, we got an RE agent in Cleveland to locate and take photos of our "rental homes" when Hughes/Guardian further defaulted the leases by not allowing us access into our buildings to examine their condition, once we saw they were boarded up and unoccupied.

    Our fear is when Hughes/Guardian now cancels their leases with us, we'll be stuck with a worthless property (no longer "managed" by Krch Realty/Hughes) that is more than a financial loss, but a major LIABILTY.

    Let's work together to get this stopped (both their escape route of Chapter 11, and their fraudulent business practices).  

    Peace,

    Chuck Lamar


     Chuck,

    you can get it with the bankruptcy proceedings 

  • Member since 2023 · 5 posts · 2 votes
    3y

    ...how do I  get access to Bankruptcy proceedings?  

  • Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 17 votes
    3y
  • Tom GimerBusiness Member
    DMV · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Chuck Lamar:

    ...how do I  get access to Bankruptcy proceedings?  


    PACER: 

    https://pacer.login.uscourts.g...
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