Multifamily or single family as first investment?

Multifamily or single family as first investment?

New to Real Estate · Philadelphia PA · Member since 2022 · 11 posts · 5 votes

In my current property I pay $840 mortgage. I wanted to purchase a Multifamily for 425k and house hack. I was thinking, if I get the Multifamily in that price range I will be paying a mortgage of at least 1500+ for one side of the units which would have me way over what I pay in my current property. I know that I won’t be staying in that multifamily forever, because I will be building my portfolio, but that’s double what I pay now. I don’t mind paying close to what I pay currently on my mortgage. But going from 840 to 1500+ doesn’t seem like a smart move. How can I analyze a multifamily and make sure I’m cash flowing with me living in one of the units? Or how can I ensure that the property will cash flow once I move out? Should I invest in a single family to start with? Please help. 

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Tyler MunroePro Member
Boston, MA · Member since 2017 · 84 posts · 42 votes
3y

I think analyzing a house hack is more subjective since you'll actually be living there. I've only lived in house hacks for the last 10 years and currently pay $1,250 to live in an apartment that would rent for $4K. Point being that a lot of people say you should live for free, but if that's not possible just aim for the best value based on the mortgage payment vs. rent value. You can then look at it as saving that difference (ex. in my case saving 2,750/month). Add to those savings the equity you build by having your mortgage partially paid down by someone else and you'll be way ahead of any renter or single family owner.

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  • Jewel B.Pro Member
    New to Real Estate · Lehigh Valley, PA · Member since 2021 · 352 posts · 120 votes
    3y

    You should look for properties that will cash flow well without you living there. If you don't cash flow while living there, does it really matter if you're living rent free or very cheaply? Then when you move out you'll have a lot more cash flow, all the while building equity and paying down principal.

    Now, if you're saying it's a duplex for that price, I find it hard to believe each side will rent for enough to cash flow. If the mortgage is 3K a month, plus expenses, that would be a pretty hefty rental price required.

  • V.G JasonPro Member
    Investor · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Kevin Nieves:

    In my current property I pay $840 mortgage. I wanted to purchase a Multifamily for 425k and house hack. I was thinking, if I get the Multifamily in that price range I will be paying a mortgage of at least 1500+ for one side of the units which would have me way over what I pay in my current property. I know that I won’t be staying in that multifamily forever, because I will be building my portfolio, but that’s double what I pay now. I don’t mind paying close to what I pay currently on my mortgage. But going from 840 to 1500+ doesn’t seem like a smart move. How can I analyze a multifamily and make sure I’m cash flowing with me living in one of the units? Or how can I ensure that the property will cash flow once I move out? Should I invest in a single family to start with? Please help. 

    Put it all into context. How much are you putting down & what's your state property tax?

    A 425k with 10% down is about a $2400 payment before insurance and taxes. You're saying one side rents for $1500? I think being cash flow negative in house hack is okay, just not to that degree. If you're in the hole $1500 monthly, that'd be like you paying double your current rent before any issues or other expenses.

    You need to find a cheaper duplex, or put more down. Or find a better cost level. If you're only paying $840 for a mortgage and want a duplex, you need to be looking in the $250k-$275k range. 
  • New to Real Estate · Philadelphia PA · Member since 2022 · 11 posts · 5 votes
    3y
    Quote from @V.G Jason:
    Quote from @Kevin Nieves:

    In my current property I pay $840 mortgage. I wanted to purchase a Multifamily for 425k and house hack. I was thinking, if I get the Multifamily in that price range I will be paying a mortgage of at least 1500+ for one side of the units which would have me way over what I pay in my current property. I know that I won’t be staying in that multifamily forever, because I will be building my portfolio, but that’s double what I pay now. I don’t mind paying close to what I pay currently on my mortgage. But going from 840 to 1500+ doesn’t seem like a smart move. How can I analyze a multifamily and make sure I’m cash flowing with me living in one of the units? Or how can I ensure that the property will cash flow once I move out? Should I invest in a single family to start with? Please help. 

    Put it all into context. How much are you putting down & what's your state property tax?

    A 425k with 10% down is about a $2400 payment before insurance and taxes. You're saying one side rents for $1500? I think being cash flow negative in house hack is okay, just not to that degree. If you're in the hole $1500 monthly, that'd be like you paying double your current rent before any issues or other expenses.

    You need to find a cheaper duplex, or put more down. Or find a better cost level. If you're only paying $840 for a mortgage and want a duplex, you need to be looking in the $250k-$275k range. 

  • New to Real Estate · Philadelphia PA · Member since 2022 · 11 posts · 5 votes
    3y
    Quote from @V.G Jason:
    Quote from @Kevin Nieves:

    In my current property I pay $840 mortgage. I wanted to purchase a Multifamily for 425k and house hack. I was thinking, if I get the Multifamily in that price range I will be paying a mortgage of at least 1500+ for one side of the units which would have me way over what I pay in my current property. I know that I won’t be staying in that multifamily forever, because I will be building my portfolio, but that’s double what I pay now. I don’t mind paying close to what I pay currently on my mortgage. But going from 840 to 1500+ doesn’t seem like a smart move. How can I analyze a multifamily and make sure I’m cash flowing with me living in one of the units? Or how can I ensure that the property will cash flow once I move out? Should I invest in a single family to start with? Please help. 

    Put it all into context. How much are you putting down & what's your state property tax?

    A 425k with 10% down is about a $2400 payment before insurance and taxes. You're saying one side rents for $1500? I think being cash flow negative in house hack is okay, just not to that degree. If you're in the hole $1500 monthly, that'd be like you paying double your current rent before any issues or other expenses.

    You need to find a cheaper duplex, or put more down. Or find a better cost level. If you're only paying $840 for a mortgage and want a duplex, you need to be looking in the $250k-$275k range. 
    Thank you for the feed back.
  • New to Real Estate · Philadelphia PA · Member since 2022 · 11 posts · 5 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jewel B.:

    You should look for properties that will cash flow well without you living there. If you don't cash flow while living there, does it really matter if you're living rent free or very cheaply? Then when you move out you'll have a lot more cash flow, all the while building equity and paying down principal.

    Now, if you're saying it's a duplex for that price, I find it hard to believe each side will rent for enough to cash flow. If the mortgage is 3K a month, plus expenses, that would be a pretty hefty rental price required. 

    Thanks for the feed back.

  • New to Real Estate · Philadelphia PA · Member since 2022 · 11 posts · 5 votes
    3y
    Quote from @V.G Jason:
    Quote from @Kevin Nieves:

    In my current property I pay $840 mortgage. I wanted to purchase a Multifamily for 425k and house hack. I was thinking, if I get the Multifamily in that price range I will be paying a mortgage of at least 1500+ for one side of the units which would have me way over what I pay in my current property. I know that I won’t be staying in that multifamily forever, because I will be building my portfolio, but that’s double what I pay now. I don’t mind paying close to what I pay currently on my mortgage. But going from 840 to 1500+ doesn’t seem like a smart move. How can I analyze a multifamily and make sure I’m cash flowing with me living in one of the units? Or how can I ensure that the property will cash flow once I move out? Should I invest in a single family to start with? Please help. 

    Put it all into context. How much are you putting down & what's your state property tax?

    A 425k with 10% down is about a $2400 payment before insurance and taxes. You're saying one side rents for $1500? I think being cash flow negative in house hack is okay, just not to that degree. If you're in the hole $1500 monthly, that'd be like you paying double your current rent before any issues or other expenses.

    You need to find a cheaper duplex, or put more down. Or find a better cost level. If you're only paying $840 for a mortgage and want a duplex, you need to be looking in the $250k-$275k range. 
    I will continue to look for cheaper multifamilys and atleast do the numbers as if I wouldn’t be living there. is that the best way to analyze a house hack deal? 
  • Tyler MunroePro Member
    Boston, MA · Member since 2017 · 84 posts · 42 votes
    3y

    I think analyzing a house hack is more subjective since you'll actually be living there. I've only lived in house hacks for the last 10 years and currently pay $1,250 to live in an apartment that would rent for $4K. Point being that a lot of people say you should live for free, but if that's not possible just aim for the best value based on the mortgage payment vs. rent value. You can then look at it as saving that difference (ex. in my case saving 2,750/month). Add to those savings the equity you build by having your mortgage partially paid down by someone else and you'll be way ahead of any renter or single family owner.

  • Lender · Member since 2022 · 338 posts · 374 votes
    3y

    I would start in the single-family space to get familiar with investing and then move up into the multifamily arena after you get some experience

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