Investor · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2018 · 57 posts · 25 votes
For those actively syndicating or allocating into stabilized commercial assets — how much weight do you put on NOI durability versus headline upside?
I'm seeing more situations where predictability and DSCR matter more than aggressive appreciation assumptions, especially in tighter credit environments.
Interested in how others are underwriting these today.
For those actively syndicating or allocating into stabilized commercial assets — how much weight do you put on NOI durability versus headline upside?
I'm seeing more situations where predictability and DSCR matter more than aggressive appreciation assumptions, especially in tighter credit environments.
Interested in how others are underwriting these today.
I have always ignored aggressive appreciation assumptions. Those that if they birfurcated the returns and the entire upside was based on appreciation typically end up in very bad situations.
We underwrite these deals for conservative stabilization time period and absorption, conservative rent growth and long term hold with again conservative appreciation. Its not about getting 30% IRR its about capital preservation and long term growth.
For those actively syndicating or allocating into stabilized commercial assets — how much weight do you put on NOI durability versus headline upside?
I'm seeing more situations where predictability and DSCR matter more than aggressive appreciation assumptions, especially in tighter credit environments.
Interested in how others are underwriting these today.
I have always ignored aggressive appreciation assumptions. Those that if they birfurcated the returns and the entire upside was based on appreciation typically end up in very bad situations.
We underwrite these deals for conservative stabilization time period and absorption, conservative rent growth and long term hold with again conservative appreciation. Its not about getting 30% IRR its about capital preservation and long term growth.
Completely agree. Deals that only work if appreciation carries the returns tend to unravel quickly when conditions change.
My focus is very similar — underwriting to in-place cash flow, conservative stabilization, modest rent growth assumptions, and a long-term hold where appreciation is treated as incremental, not essential.
Structurally, I've been leaning toward approaches that further protect the downside (strong DSCR, limited reliance on senior debt, and in some cases master lease purchase structures) so the deal stands on its own even if markets go sideways.
For those actively syndicating or allocating into stabilized commercial assets — how much weight do you put on NOI durability versus headline upside?
I'm seeing more situations where predictability and DSCR matter more than aggressive appreciation assumptions, especially in tighter credit environments.
Interested in how others are underwriting these today.
In the unique times when the market prices are at obvious depths (2008 - 2012), 1988-1990), etc. I’m interested in DISCOUNT to what I perceive as “stabilized” market value more than anything else if the property will at least service a moderate (50%) leveraged debt. All other times I ignore anything other than FORCED appreciation. So if a property is being upgraded from say C to B and therefore the result is projected to be a 6 cap vs a 8 cap then the value increase is part of the equation. On the other hand if the projected appreciation os based on wishful thinking; “historical” stats; neighborhood “rejuvenation” or anything similar, it gets totally ignored.
Appreciate the thoughtful perspective — I’m very aligned with discount-to-stabilized value being the real margin of safety outside of true forced appreciation.
Where I've been focusing recently is on mispriced but already-cash-flowing assets, often using master lease purchase structures to lock in control at a discount while keeping DSCR extremely strong from day one.
The underwriting stands on in-place NOI alone — no reliance on appreciation, cap compression, or market tailwinds. Any upside beyond that is treated as optional.
It’s been an effective way to preserve downside protection while still creating asymmetric outcomes. Always good to connect with investors who stay disciplined on that front.
Appreciate the thoughtful perspective — I’m very aligned with discount-to-stabilized value being the real margin of safety outside of true forced appreciation.
Where I've been focusing recently is on mispriced but already-cash-flowing assets, often using master lease purchase structures to lock in control at a discount while keeping DSCR extremely strong from day one.
The underwriting stands on in-place NOI alone — no reliance on appreciation, cap compression, or market tailwinds. Any upside beyond that is treated as optional.
It’s been an effective way to preserve downside protection while still creating asymmetric outcomes. Always good to connect with investors who stay disciplined on that front.
Sounds like your a very disciplined investor - you should continue to do well.
Rental Property Investor · St. Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
8mo
We are value-add investors, so we are looking at NOI and upside potential. Typically, our decision-making is weighted toward current NOI, but we are taking a close look at what the market can bear for renovated unit rent amounts, and what other levers we can pull for NOI growth.
That makes sense — NOI durability and controllable upside are what ultimately drive returns.
My current focus is more on stabilized assets with strong in-place NOI, often structured via master lease purchase agreements where the asset already clears debt service comfortably and DSCR is strong without relying on future rent growth.
I still underwrite expense efficiency, lease structure, and selective rent resets where available, but I’m generally not depending on heavy repositioning or speculative upgrades to make the deal work.
Appreciate you sharing how you’re evaluating upside in this environment.
Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
8mo
I believe in conservative underwriting and believe my underwriting to be more conservative than 90%+ of this site.
However, in the long term I have appreciation. The simple fact is over 10 year period it has never failed to occur nationally. This of course does not mean there are not markets down in inflation adjusted value (there are).
Looking at the history and current metrics can lead to an expected appreciation and rent growth. Do not use expected appreciation and expected rent growth in the underwriting, use more conservative values.
What is the cost of not looking at it? Is it simply not purchasing an asset? No! It is purchasing an asset that is unlikely to achieve optimal return over a long hold. Emphasizing only the value add and cash flow projection can lead lower quality acquisitions. This is because the best cash flow it typically on the properties with the lowest appreciation and rent growth outlooks.
Give me a quality market for a long hold over initial cash flow every time. Location, location, location.