To sell or rent: Advice Appreciated

To sell or rent: Advice Appreciated

Fleetwood, PA · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 0 votes

Hello, everyone - My name is Mike. I was reading some of Brandon Turner's content on the site and realized this seems like a great site for landlords.

That said, I'm still not sure if I should go that direction. As I'll explain, it seems like the right call - and I told my wife last night that people smarter than us would probably think we're dumb for considering selling. Anyway, the story, in a nutshell:

We bought our current home ("217") - a semi-detached in a nice neighborhood - in 2009. Sale price was $175K, but we got a loan for $178 that helped with closing costs (we were young). The last two years went well for us and the mortgage is currently $85K. 

In the meantime, we bought a bigger house (approved without the condition of selling 217) and settle in June ("29"). We are putting 20% down, so we'll have some nice equity to start.

The issue: 217's market is now ~$160. Also, everyone seems to want seller's assist. If we sell (and there is a lot of interest, including 2 offers on the table), we will net roughly $63K. So we're taking a decent-sized hit from 2009 when all is said and done.

So, here's the question: Take the loss and sell or rent it out? There seems to be interest in renting in the area, we could refinance our 217 mortgage and net ~400/mo. after insurances/taxes/payment. Our new house is 7 minutes away. Concerns are simply the hassle and the chance we can't find a renter (although it seems unlikely - what's your experience?). We don't need the proceeds from the sale to feel comfortable and would likely throw most of it at the new mortgage principal.

Anyway, happy to answer any follow ups and I really appreciate you reading. I only wish I found this site earlier and look forward to joining the community, whether it's now or down the road.

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Herndon, VA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 324 votes
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Originally posted by @Mike Clay:

Thanks for the responses.

Our agent said $1100-1200 is a fair rental rate. We could refinance our mortgage and get $88,000/4.25%/30 years. Insurance is ~$900/mo. and annual taxes are $3,400.

I did a worksheet and included only 11 months of income at $1,100. I also included repair/misc. expenses. I show an estimated annual profit of a few thousand. 

What is your current rate?

If you get 3K that is a 5% return on your roughly 60K equity.  That is without considering appreciation.  It probably comes down to if you see the area as having potential for appreciation.

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  • Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 67 posts · 20 votes
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    Advice.

    Simplify your post. 

    Use less words when you write. 

    Be more direct.

  • Guy with Great Hair · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    In my opinion it's generally better to hang on to assets, especially those with equity, whenever possible. You have equity in 217, it sounds like you make enough cash at your regular job so its the potential 63k (minus cost to sell & taxes) worth it to lose a long term asset? 

    I would post the hard numbers for converting it to a rental. If you can cash flow, keep your equity, get the tax benefits, and have someone pay the note for you then I would recommend keeping it for sure. Just make sure you are thorough with the rental math. 

  • Herndon, VA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 324 votes
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    What you paid for your former house is irrelevant.  

    You have a property worth 160K with a loan for 85K.  I think with buyers wanting sellers assistance, you might only net 60K - assuming you are also paying agents.  

    What are the rental rates?  What are costs like taxes/insurance?

    What is your mortgage rate on your current property?  

  • Fleetwood, PA · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 0 votes
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    Thanks for the responses.

    Our agent said $1100-1200 is a fair rental rate. We could refinance our mortgage and get $88,000/4.25%/30 years. Insurance is ~$900/mo. and annual taxes are $3,400.

    I did a worksheet and included only 11 months of income at $1,100. I also included repair/misc. expenses. I show an estimated annual profit of a few thousand. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Weehawken, NJ · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 704 votes
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    I'm with @Alexander Felice on this one. The rental option seems good for an asset that's not burning a hole in your pocket. It would be good to get started learning to be a landlord and manage property.

    If you find that you have many vacancies, and the property is losing year over year, you then know you should take the sell option. If, on the other hand, you can make the money, you will learn a great deal and hold on till a better day.

  • Herndon, VA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 324 votes
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    Originally posted by @Mike Clay:

    Thanks for the responses.

    Our agent said $1100-1200 is a fair rental rate. We could refinance our mortgage and get $88,000/4.25%/30 years. Insurance is ~$900/mo. and annual taxes are $3,400.

    I did a worksheet and included only 11 months of income at $1,100. I also included repair/misc. expenses. I show an estimated annual profit of a few thousand. 

    What is your current rate?

    If you get 3K that is a 5% return on your roughly 60K equity.  That is without considering appreciation.  It probably comes down to if you see the area as having potential for appreciation.

  • Fleetwood, PA · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 0 votes
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    Thanks Trevor.

    Jesse - 

    I'm currently at 5.375% with a payment of $1330 (includes insurance/taxes).

    Refinance would cost $2,800 and move to 4.25% and a $791.63 payment

  • Fleetwood, PA · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 0 votes
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    Originally posted by @Jesse T.:
    Originally posted by @Mike Clay:

    Thanks for the responses.

    Our agent said $1100-1200 is a fair rental rate. We could refinance our mortgage and get $88,000/4.25%/30 years. Insurance is ~$900/mo. and annual taxes are $3,400.

    I did a worksheet and included only 11 months of income at $1,100. I also included repair/misc. expenses. I show an estimated annual profit of a few thousand. 

    What is your current rate?

    If you get 3K that is a 5% return on your roughly 60K equity.  That is without considering appreciation.  It probably comes down to if you see the area as having potential for appreciation.

     Just realized I failed to answer your other question. The market obviously dipped since we bought the house and it seems likely to drop a bit more before eventually increasing. It's hard to know, but I think it will be similar or higher a few years from now. The homes in this development were all built in the mid to late 90s. Hopefully that helps.

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 132 posts · 40 votes
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    For refinance, you get the proceeds tax free, that maybe a good thing about refinance.

    Selling usually means higher cost, and if only want to free cash to invest, refi is definitely the way to go.

  • Engineer · Portland, OR · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    the most concerning point is you didn't even state the potential rent. And as another poster said what you paid and most of these proffered numbers are irrelevant.
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