"Investors" putting the deal before the property.

"Investors" putting the deal before the property.

Real Estate Agent · Mesa, AZ · Member since 2017 · 237 posts · 170 votes

I put "investors" because a lot of the people reaching out as investors quite frankly aren't actually investing. The big differentiator for me that I see with investor clients is what I call putting the deal before the house.

What I mean is how many investors reach out to me and ask me if I'm willing to write offers for $100k below list price as just a general rule for writing offers on houses. They don't have a property identified they just want to offer $100k below ask no matter the price to feel they have gotten a deal. This is a horrible mindset and lazy strategy. Every deal needs to be evaluated individually. Here's why:

  1. The property could be $100k or more overpriced. That is not uncommon in my market. If your only rule is that you have to get the house for $100k below ask then you're going to lose money.

  2. you can lose out on a good opportunity to flip a good house.

  3. If I send an investor something on the MLS it's because it is a good deal.

2 weeks ago I had this exact situation happen. I found a house that was an absolute home run. I couldn't take on another property at the time so I sent it to my investors one had adopted this rule and he lost and the other investor who evaluated the deal actually bought it at list price, because he saw the value. He is an experienced investor and doesn't pass up good deals. We spoke yesterday and after all his costs he is expecting to profit $120k on this house I sent him from the MLS.

I see this happen a lot and it's surprising to me. Most houses on the MLS are not good deals for investors but in an MLS like mine where there are around 25k listings there are bound to be deals. I think part of the problem is investors teaming up with agents that don't invest and send crap deals. I know me and other investor agents have tools and teams that do nothing but evaluate properties all day to find the deals. Those of us that invest in this type of infrastructure to find deals do it because it works and is worth the cost, but the issue is getting some of these investors to remove the blinders that stop them from taking these deals, because of some arbitrary nominal amount they have to lowball by to get what they feel is a deal.

Don't get me wrong I lowball sellers everyday. I just don't pass up deals, because I can only make $100k instead of $200k on a house with a $700k ARV.

Is there a new guru I don't know about teaching some arbitrary lowball amount method?

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Diana KhanPro Member
Attorney · 10451 Mill Run Cir #755 Owings Mills, MD 21117 · Member since 2024 · 663 posts · 233 votes
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Quote from @Matt Greer:

I put "investors" because a lot of the people reaching out as investors quite frankly aren't actually investing. The big differentiator for me that I see with investor clients is what I call putting the deal before the house.

What I mean is how many investors reach out to me and ask me if I'm willing to write offers for $100k below list price as just a general rule for writing offers on houses. They don't have a property identified they just want to offer $100k below ask no matter the price to feel they have gotten a deal. This is a horrible mindset and lazy strategy. Every deal needs to be evaluated individually. Here's why:

  1. The property could be $100k or more overpriced. That is not uncommon in my market. If your only rule is that you have to get the house for $100k below ask then you're going to lose money.

  2. you can lose out on a good opportunity to flip a good house.

  3. If I send an investor something on the MLS it's because it is a good deal.

2 weeks ago I had this exact situation happen. I found a house that was an absolute home run. I couldn't take on another property at the time so I sent it to my investors one had adopted this rule and he lost and the other investor who evaluated the deal actually bought it at list price, because he saw the value. He is an experienced investor and doesn't pass up good deals. We spoke yesterday and after all his costs he is expecting to profit $120k on this house I sent him from the MLS.

I see this happen a lot and it's surprising to me. Most houses on the MLS are not good deals for investors but in an MLS like mine where there are around 25k listings there are bound to be deals. I think part of the problem is investors teaming up with agents that don't invest and send crap deals. I know me and other investor agents have tools and teams that do nothing but evaluate properties all day to find the deals. Those of us that invest in this type of infrastructure to find deals do it because it works and is worth the cost, but the issue is getting some of these investors to remove the blinders that stop them from taking these deals, because of some arbitrary nominal amount they have to lowball by to get what they feel is a deal.

Don't get me wrong I lowball sellers everyday. I just don't pass up deals, because I can only make $100k instead of $200k on a house with a $700k ARV.

Is there a new guru I don't know about teaching some arbitrary lowball amount method?

@Matt Greer, I haven't heard of anyone teaching that specific rule, but I agree with your point. Getting $100K off the asking price doesn't automatically make something a good deal. I'd rather see an investor look at the actual value, repair costs, and potential risks before deciding what to offer. Sometimes paying the asking price can still make sense if the numbers work.

I'm a real estate attorney, broker, and investor based in Maryland, and I work with clients on contracts and property transactions. I've seen how important it is to look beyond the price and understand what you're getting into before signing a contract. A cheap property can become expensive pretty quickly if there are issues you didn't account for.

I appreciate you sharing this, @Matt Greer. Your example really shows why every property deserves its own evaluation. Happy to stay connected!

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  • Diana KhanPro Member
    Attorney · 10451 Mill Run Cir #755 Owings Mills, MD 21117 · Member since 2024 · 663 posts · 233 votes
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    Quote from @Matt Greer:

    I put "investors" because a lot of the people reaching out as investors quite frankly aren't actually investing. The big differentiator for me that I see with investor clients is what I call putting the deal before the house.

    What I mean is how many investors reach out to me and ask me if I'm willing to write offers for $100k below list price as just a general rule for writing offers on houses. They don't have a property identified they just want to offer $100k below ask no matter the price to feel they have gotten a deal. This is a horrible mindset and lazy strategy. Every deal needs to be evaluated individually. Here's why:

    1. The property could be $100k or more overpriced. That is not uncommon in my market. If your only rule is that you have to get the house for $100k below ask then you're going to lose money.

    2. you can lose out on a good opportunity to flip a good house.

    3. If I send an investor something on the MLS it's because it is a good deal.

    2 weeks ago I had this exact situation happen. I found a house that was an absolute home run. I couldn't take on another property at the time so I sent it to my investors one had adopted this rule and he lost and the other investor who evaluated the deal actually bought it at list price, because he saw the value. He is an experienced investor and doesn't pass up good deals. We spoke yesterday and after all his costs he is expecting to profit $120k on this house I sent him from the MLS.

    I see this happen a lot and it's surprising to me. Most houses on the MLS are not good deals for investors but in an MLS like mine where there are around 25k listings there are bound to be deals. I think part of the problem is investors teaming up with agents that don't invest and send crap deals. I know me and other investor agents have tools and teams that do nothing but evaluate properties all day to find the deals. Those of us that invest in this type of infrastructure to find deals do it because it works and is worth the cost, but the issue is getting some of these investors to remove the blinders that stop them from taking these deals, because of some arbitrary nominal amount they have to lowball by to get what they feel is a deal.

    Don't get me wrong I lowball sellers everyday. I just don't pass up deals, because I can only make $100k instead of $200k on a house with a $700k ARV.

    Is there a new guru I don't know about teaching some arbitrary lowball amount method?

    @Matt Greer, I haven't heard of anyone teaching that specific rule, but I agree with your point. Getting $100K off the asking price doesn't automatically make something a good deal. I'd rather see an investor look at the actual value, repair costs, and potential risks before deciding what to offer. Sometimes paying the asking price can still make sense if the numbers work.

    I'm a real estate attorney, broker, and investor based in Maryland, and I work with clients on contracts and property transactions. I've seen how important it is to look beyond the price and understand what you're getting into before signing a contract. A cheap property can become expensive pretty quickly if there are issues you didn't account for.

    I appreciate you sharing this, @Matt Greer. Your example really shows why every property deserves its own evaluation. Happy to stay connected!

    • Real Estate Agent · Mesa, AZ · Member since 2017 · 237 posts · 170 votes
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      I was looking, because I notice patterns where multiple investors will come ask for the same thing out of the blue then I find out it was on a podcast the night before or something. it's kind of funny.

  • Matthew MorrowBusiness Member
    Investor · PA - NY - NJ · Member since 2019 · 884 posts · 311 votes
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    @Matt Greer I run into this too. Purchase price is the most important number, but it has to be the right price for that house, not a fixed discount off a list price somebody else picked. I've seen overpriced listings where $100K off is still too much, and good ones where full price works. The upfront conversation about what they want to buy and how they're paying for it usually tells you who's serious. Those first conversations save a lot of wasted offers.

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    • Real Estate Agent · Mesa, AZ · Member since 2017 · 237 posts · 170 votes
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      The first conversation tells you a lot about the investor. The questions they do and don't ask are important to pay attention to.

    • Matthew MorrowBusiness Member
      Investor · PA - NY - NJ · Member since 2019 · 884 posts · 311 votes
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      @Matt Greer ha, I've noticed the podcast effect too. I've been listening since the early days, so I'm probably guilty of trying a few of those ideas myself. Agree on the questions. The ones who ask about the house and the rents before the discount are usually the ones who end up buying something.

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