Ever get discouraged in REI?

Ever get discouraged in REI?

Investor · Randallstown, MD · Member since 2010 · 185 posts · 57 votes

So, 4 rental properties and 1 flip later, I'm getting discouraged. I'm pregnant and sick, and SICK of dealing with tenant issues and contractors. Plus, our flip has been on the market for about 3 weeks now, with no offers. I'm sorry to say I'm getting a little discouraged. It doesn't help that I'm pregnant and sick, I know. But has anyone else ever been discouraged? So far, REI seems like such a hassle. I need some encouragement. Oh, and utilitiy payments on all these houses are DROWNING us and totally depleting any cash flow.

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Full-Time Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
15y

hey, it's a stressful business...everytime i get a call from a tenant, my heart jumps a little wondering what's it gonna be next...but in the end, it's usually minor stuff....for me, it seems everything bad will happen at once, and then 3-4 months go by smooth sailing....just part of the biz

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  • Real Estate Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 671 votes
    15y

    Are you all rented? You should just have the utilities on the flip?

  • Investor · Randallstown, MD · Member since 2010 · 185 posts · 57 votes
    15y

    No, not all rented yet...not even all completely renovated yet. The two houses that are finished are rented; except there's an upstairs of one of the units that's still on the market. We've had a lot of inquiries, but no serious candidates. We're finishing one of the units of a duplex this week, and it will be on the market this week. We're waiting on that one to get rented before we pour the $$ into finishing the other side. The triplex has only had minimal work done on it. Utilities are on in the duplex that is currently undergoing renovations. The pipes have been fixed, and it's still rather cold in MI, so my contractor suggested I leave the gas on so that the pipes won't freeze again.

  • Real Estate Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 671 votes
    15y

    I think you are out of the woods for the pipes if you are in Lower Michigan. It is a good idea to keep the unit at 50 to avoid cracks in the plaster if they houses he plaster.

    I have four rental rehabs going on right now and I get depressed because I didnt have much going on all winter. I also feel upset because I am stuck doing small deals that take a ton of work. I am buying SFRs and Duplexes when I want to be buying 20-60 unit buildings. In my market these buildings have not come around yet at a good price and are always bid up. I am stuck with the small projects where I work for the equity.

    I think we will both get through it. Once you have your baby you will also feel better.

  • Investor · Randallstown, MD · Member since 2010 · 185 posts · 57 votes
    15y

    Thank you for the encouragement, Jeff. It is needed and appreciated. You're doing well to have 4 projects going on at the same time, and not feel overwhelmed. Working on all these houses at the same time has certainly overwhelmed me.

  • Full-Time Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y

    hey, it's a stressful business...everytime i get a call from a tenant, my heart jumps a little wondering what's it gonna be next...but in the end, it's usually minor stuff....for me, it seems everything bad will happen at once, and then 3-4 months go by smooth sailing....just part of the biz

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    15y

    It takes time and practice to get used to working on several houses at one time. It also takes a good bit of time to build a strong team of contractors that you can trust and that make your life easier, as opposed to harder.

    It sounds like you took on a lot of projects at one time without the team and processes in place to handle them all. Hopefully this is good encouragement for you to start thinking through the details of how and when things will get done, BEFORE you purchase the properties.

    As for the flip that has been on the market for 3 weeks, are you getting much traffic through the property? If so, what has the feedback been?

  • Real Estate Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 671 votes
    15y

    Bryan,
    As you get bigger you will not have those four months. You will be lucky if you have a week where nothing serious happens. Last week it was a roof, this week has already started flood in a bathroom.

  • Investor · Randallstown, MD · Member since 2010 · 185 posts · 57 votes
    15y

    J Scott,

    We've had roughly 10-12 showings. ALL feedback has been positive, even down to price...they all (except for one) said it was priced "just about right"...they like everything about the property...interior, location, curb appeal, etc. We just haven't had any offers. My Agent said that the buyers have literally 100s of homes to look at in the price range in the area, so it will take a while for them to look at everything. We need to sell it, though, cause the HML is very expensive. I'm thinking of lowering the price to get out of it quicker.

  • Real Estate Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 671 votes
    15y

    Back to the OP. Just roll with it. Jason is correct to point out that the people you have around you make having all of these projects less stressful. If you are going to keep up that type of pace you will have to start looking at your company as a construction company who also manages property.

    While I do not work for others, I consider myself to be a GC and a PM. In both jobs you get to meet the scum of the earth and almost everyone is out to screw you. I am not going to tell you it gets easier, but it can become more managable with systems.

    Think about your company getting huge and start to make systems right now.

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    15y
    Originally posted by newlife30:
    My Agent said that the buyers have literally 100s of homes to look at in the price range in the area, so it will take a while for them to look at everything.

    The key to selling in that type of market is for buyers to look at your house and say, "I'd love to look at more houses, but I love this one and don't want to take the chance of losing it to someone else."

    To do that, you need to have the NICEST house at the price -- not the third nicest, not the second nicest.

    Is the house staged? If not, stage it (I know others may disagree, but this has been the biggest key to our success).

    Sounds like the house might be priced a bit too high. Lower it 5-10%.

    Incentivize the buyer's agent to get their clients to make an offer. Do that by offering a 1-2% selling agent bonus.

    If you get desperate, offer to pay the appraisal and/or inspection costs for the buyer. Offer closing costs. Etc.

  • Investor · Randallstown, MD · Member since 2010 · 185 posts · 57 votes
    15y

    Thanks for all the selling suggestions, J Scott. No, the house isn't staged. I'll definitely talk to my husband about staging it...I'm willing to try nearly anything at this point, to stop paying on that HML. I'm also gonna talk to my Agent about offering the buyer's Agent an additional 1-2% bonus. That sounds like a great idea. Lowering the price 5-10% eats into our profit, significantly, so we'll do that as the worse case scenario. It was originally listed for $139.9k, currently listed at $137k; I was thinking of lowering it to $135k. We'll see. But I just looked in my email and saw that we have another showing scheduled for today at 1130. It's actually a 3rd showing for an Agent that said their buyer is going to choose between our house and one other. So I'm PRAYING they make an offer. Fingers crossed. I'll keep you guys posted.

  • Full-Time Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y
    Bryan,
    As you get bigger you will not have those four months. You will be lucky if you have a week where nothing serious happens. Last week it was a roof, this week has already started flood in a bathroom.

    ha, good to know jeffrey....thanks for the encouragement! seriously though, i hope to one day have someone working for me that takes the calls..i'm getting tired of doing everything myself!

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    15y

    "Lowering the price 5-10% eats into our profit"

    Reducing 2k at your price level isn't even a 1 percent reduction in price.

    You are pregnant and need to lighten your load.

    You don't want to chase the market down or have new listings come up at a cheaper price or have a seller get desperate and reduce big and set a new price medium for your market.

    You need to reduce now and get it closed.I have seen this happen over and over. Nightmare stories of flips gone wrong and then turn into rentals and investor didn't want.

    A buyer with many choices doesn't care about your profit margin and will look at the seller that works with them and gives them a good deal.

    If I go to a car dealership and they give me a hard time I just go across the street to another car dealer who will play ball.

    If they were the only car dealer for 30 miles then they have and advantage. What you are describing in your area is a flooded market with properties.

  • Investor · Randallstown, MD · Member since 2010 · 185 posts · 57 votes
    15y

    We just received our first verbal offer! They offered $130k + they want 5% closing help. We countered at full price - $137k - and gave them the 5% closing. They verbally accepted, and we should get the written offer tomorrow morning! YAY!!! THANK YOU JESUS!!! I know it's not final until it's final, but I'm happy!

  • Full-Time Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    15y

    congrats and good luck getting it closed up

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    15y
    Originally posted by newlife30:
    It's actually a 3rd showing for an Agent that said their buyer is going to choose between our house and one other. So I'm PRAYING they make an offer. Fingers crossed. I'll keep you guys posted.

    This is where a great agent will make a huge difference. Your agent should be on the phone letting the selling agent know that there's a bonus for him/her, that you're flexible with helping in closing costs, etc.

    You need to tip the scales from 50/50 to heavily in your favor, and this is an opportunity for your agent to step up and do that!

    Btw, one more selling tip I forgot:

    Make sure that for EVERY showing, you or your agent gets to the house an hour before the showing, turns on all the lights, opens the mini-blinds/curtains (you DO have mini-blinds or curtains on all windows, right?), makes sure the temperature is perfect, makes sure the air fresheners are making the house smell great, etc.

    When a buyer walks into you house, it should feel like a home, not a vacant house (another reason staging is so important); the first impression is by-far the most important.

    Good luck!!!

  • Investor · Randallstown, MD · Member since 2010 · 185 posts · 57 votes
    15y

    Thanks, BryanA!

    Thanks, J Scott. Yea, I agree...my Agent should have been on the phone at that point. But I didn't think to offer a Buyer Agent bonus, until you suggested it. So going forward, I'll definitely implement that strategy...do you think we should do it as a routine practice, or only when the house has been on the market for a while?

    Yes, there are blinds on all the windows. Next time around, we're definitely gonna try the staging. How much does it usually run?

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    15y
    Originally posted by newlife30:
    So going forward, I'll definitely implement that strategy...do you think we should do it as a routine practice, or only when the house has been on the market for a while?

    Any time we think a house may be more difficult to sell for some reason or may be listed at the higher end of the price range, we'll offer a $1000 bonus.

    If we think the house will sell quickly, we won't offer the bonus, though we'll generally give it to the agent anyway at the closing just to build a relationship and encourage the agent to bring their future buyers to our property.

    Generally, we won't put the bonus in the MLS listing. This gives us an excuse to call the agent at some point -- either before, during or after a showing -- as a busy agent is much happier to speak with you when it's about making more money... :)


    Next time around, we're definitely gonna try the staging. How much does it usually run?

    See this thread:

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/67/topics/62850-home-staging-how-much-

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