How to Find the Right Property Manager

How to Find the Right Property Manager

Joshua D.Pro Member
BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes

Lately, a bunch of people have been asking about what to look for when picking a property manager. Its a great question, and I’ll try to cover a few important points. I’m going to ask more questions then I’ll answer, but these are questions you’ll want to keep in mind when interviewing managers.

FYI - The list is in no particular order, and is in no way comprehensive.

1 - Cost: Managers generally charge a monthly fee to watch and maintain your property. Those fees can range from as low as 5% or so, to upwards of 20%. Obviously, you should look for a company that charges less and provides more services.

2 - Communication: For me, communication with a manager is of the utmost importance. I need someone who uses email, and is responsive to both the telephone and email. If I don’t get a response back in a timely manner, it is time to walk. In addition, you need someone who can deal with you and your idiosynchricies. Some of us are needier then others. You want to let companies know up front where you stand, and make sure they’re willing to be flexible for you.

3 - Termination of your Agreement: In the event that your “relationship” does not work out, you want to know up front what exactly it will take to terminate your agreement. Is there a charge for breaking your contract? Penalties?

4 - Repairs and Maintenance: Does the company have their own maintenance crew, or do they contract out to a handyman? How much do they bill out at? Can they handle all kinds of repairs? What happens if they can’t do something? Do they have other contractors that they work with?

In addition, you probably want to have a maximum that the company can spend without contacting you. Generally, I will allow my managers to do what they need to as long as it is for something under $100. I must confirm any expenses over that.

If you are a bit more of a control person, you can also request invoices/reciepts for expenses.

5 - Monthly Statements: Does the company send out monthly or quarterly statements. I wouldn’t deal with anyone that does not provide monthly income/expense statements.

6 - Evictions: How does the company handle evictions? What are the costs to evict?

7 - Yard Work: How much do they bill yard work out at? Landscaping? Do they handle snow removal? Mow lawns? How much does each cost?

8 - Reserves: What kind of reserve does the company require? The reserves are used in case anything comes up. Most managers will require a certain amount.

9 - Accounting: When will the manager mail your check to you? Beginning of the month? State laws usually dictate accounting rules for managers, but you wo want to know all of this up front. Tenant Deposits: How do they handle deposits? Are they comingled, or simply put together with all other income for your account?

10 - Vacancies: I’ve actually interviewed companies that will charge you 1/2 a month’s rent to fill vacancies in your property. I quickly ended my interview with these people. There is no reason to pay this fee, since many managers don’t go there. You will need to fill vacancies, so you need some advertising.

11 - Advertising: Where do they advertise properties? Are for rent signs put on the property’s lawn? Do they advertise in the paper? Online? There are quite a few effective places to advertise properties for free, online. Do they use these? In addition, you want your property advertised effectively. Do they have the basic HTML skills to add images to their for rent ads online? This makes a huge difference, trust me.

12 - Section 8: Do they have experience dealing with section 8 properties / tenants? Do they know what is entailed with such properties?

I also like to know how many properties they manage, how many managers work at the company, what specific areas they focus on, how long they have been in the business, and other questions about their experience. This should be a good start to get you going. :groovy:

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Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
16y

The only decent property mgrs I've had in 40 years are my daughters and others I trained from scratch. NO ONE will ever take as good of care of your properties/money as you will, so train them to be like you.
I've always had a bonus system , with a base % and a graduated bonus beginning at 90% and rising to 100% of rent collected per month. It makes them work hard to find tenants, do make ready quick and impress the importance of collecting rent.
To owner, a vacant property is $1000, to the mgr it only represents 6-10% (60-100bucks). You have to dangle a carrott to be different from the other properties they handle, imo. Rich

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  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2008 · 34 posts · 0 votes
    21y

    Great Info! Wow. You really hit on a lot of points there. This will be really helpful for when the time comes to get a manager. Thanks a million

  • Member since 2008 · 143 posts · 1 vote
    20y

    To add to number 9- I've seen some that will send your $$$ direct deposit into your checking account. If this is something that is important to you please note that it is an available option.

  • Joshua D.Pro Member
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    BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    20y

    Nice suggestion, Rich.

  • Real Estate Consultant · FL · Member since 2009 · 6 posts · 2 votes
    17y

    My suggestion in Ideal Real Property Management and Repair Costs


    Ideal Real Property Management Cost

    Must have the absolute lowest rates; management fee structure must be simply put, untouchable.Charge a leasing commission equal to 84% of the first month's rent for an annual lease (7% of the gross lease). Almost every other company charges the entire first month! Additionally, management fees are only 10%.

    Ideal Repair Costs

    Should need repairs that vendor relationships typically provide the owners with a 20% - 25% repair cost savings. The property management must able to achieve these discounts due to the volume business they do with their vendors.



  • Real Estate Attorney · Syracuse/New York, NY · Member since 2008 · 29 posts · 4 votes
    17y

    Thanks Joshua. I am a property manager in Syracuse, NY and most of my clients have had terrible experiences with prior property managers and they all read from the same script - lack of communication.

    I'd like to add to your list of questions to ask property managers. Many states require property managers to be licensed so ASK your property manager if he/she is licensed!
    Too many "property managers" believe that just because they can fix a toilet they can manage a building. Make sure your manager is licensed!

    Tony D'Anzica, JD
    [PHONE NUMBER REMOVED]

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Homestead, FL · Member since 2009 · 45 posts · 3 votes
    16y

    Joshua,

    I don't understand #10. I usually charge half months rent to find a new tenant. Most companies charge a similar fee for new tenants. It seems fair since showing the property, screening applicants, back-round checks etc, taking pictures and documenting move in conditions, and after move in inspection all take extra time.
    But I am speaking of single units it is probably different for larger apartment buildings.

  • Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2010 · 3 posts · 4 votes
    16y

    Responding to the topic I would like to share a fragment of what I came up with [http://rpmnorthvalley.wordpress.com/]
    Hope is helpful. GB
    ---
    So how do you compare property management companies? We have found is that it is best to calculate an Effective Management Fee when comparing companies. The Effective Management Fee is the actual percentage you pay of your rental income each month to the management company once you factor in all the reoccurring fees you are charged for the year. Unfortunately, unlike the mortgage industry, Property
    Management Companies are not required to provide a “Truth-In-Lending†type of statement about their fees (whether mortgage companies have any scruples either is fodder for another time). You are encouraged to use this formula when evaluating property management companies.

    How to calculate Effective Management Fee?
    Assume your property will be leased for a year.
    Add up all the annual fees that are in the fine print of the management agreement.
    Add up all the management fees collected for the year.
    Sum those two numbers, and divide by all the rents collected on your behalf for the year.

    For example, a company advertises 6%, has a $450 marketing fee, $20 twice a month freshen up fees (when vacant), $150 annual fee and 4% lease up fee. You believe your property will rent for $1000.

    Management Fees = 12 months x 6% management fees = $720
    Marketing Fee = $450
    Annual Fee = $150
    Lease up Fee = 4% of 12 months rent or 12,000 x 4% = $480

    So the sum of all fees for the lease year is = $720 + $450 + $150 + $480 = $1800
    Divide that by the $12,000 annual rent collected = 1800 / 12,000 = 15% EFFECTIVE MANAGEMENT FEE !!!!!

    Compare that to a company that only charges 10% on rent actually collected (that other company probably charges you even when the house is vacant or the tenant does not pay), and you would pay $1200 or actually be paying what is advertised, 10%. Not only are you paying more to the first company, but if they are being deceptive in their advertising about what you pay, what else are they deceiving you about?

    If a company, like the one above, charges some type of fee during vacancies (like the dreaded and bogus FRESHEN UP FEE), re-compare them as above, but assume one month is vacant. In this example the total annual amount of fees would be reduced a little (as with your rent) but would further show the disparity between the two companies. Make sure to add that 12 month management fee if they company you are evaluating charges you while vacant! That pushes it up towards 20% management fee if they do.

  • Property Manager · Rancho Cucamonga, CA · Member since 2010 · 38 posts · 0 votes
    16y

    I've been in property management for the last 4 years and one thing that I hear most from both investors and tenants is communication. I speak to angry investors that have property managers that neglect their property for months if not entire year at a time. I've heard stories about property managers constantly approving of jobs that the investor didn't even know about or informing the investor the day of when a tenant is moving out. Some don't even return phone calls or emails.

    Communication is the most important aspect of property management or at least it should be. This helps establish the relationship between both investor and tenant alike. Whether you have bad new about an expensive repair that is needed, good news of a potential tenant paying above market rent or even just an email, letter, or phone to just say "HI" communication is the laying foundation of a good long relationship.

    George B. as far as fees go that's some expensive property management if they charge all that you wrote. I'm not saying anything negative about it because their service might be worth it, but wow! Freshen up fee, that's new to me, but I see that it's out there. Are fees are competitive and affordable while our service is still high. We believe in transparency so we have no hidden fees. We'd rather make a slow nickel then a quick dollar. Just wished more companies did the same thing.

  • Real Estate Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2008 · 566 posts · 356 votes
    16y

    All good stuff, so I'll throw in my two cents, having interviewed several and rejected every one.

    It just seems like "Oh, you want a gun to shoot me with, AND you want me to load it before I give it to you." In every case, IMHO, a fee based schedule that rewards failure. Makes me want to ask, "should I just hold it to my head and pull the trigger, too?"

    A couple of my favorites (I think some of these could have been candidates for the Guru Scam Words thread):

    "Everybody charges for this, it's standard in this area...."

    "We charge less than others."

    "Since we work with so many investors, we really can't tailor our service offerings for each investor."

    "Well, we don't like when an owner wants to do their own minor repairs, we find their work is often not up to our standards. That's why we prefer to use our hand selected handymen." Q: Are these handymen employees or contracted out? A: "Contracted."

    Q: Explain how, when a call from a tenant comes in for a repair, how it is handled. A: "We send out a handyman who determines what is needed." Q: Who determines what really has to be done, checks the work being done, or checks to see if it is done at all, and that the charge is not inflated? A: "Oh, all of our handymen are hand selected and have worked for us for a long time. They've earned our trust."

    "Our hourly handyman charge is $35/hour." Q: Does this hourly rate include running to the home center for a box of nails? A: "It could."

    Q: Is your husband, by chance, one of your handymen? A: "he is."

    "The owner provides a checking account, maintaining a minimum balance of $1,000, with our company as a signor on the account. You must agree that we can spend up to $650 per incident without notification."

    Q: Your eviction fee of $600. (I knew a lawyer would cost $500 including court costs and total court costs amount to $140), is that with a lawyer or do you do it? A: "we do."

    The Q that drew a deer-in-the-headlight stare every time: It seems that if I let you choose and place a tenant in my unit, that, according to your transaction based fee schedule, you would actually make a lot more profit, if that tenant you chose turns out a bad tenant, stops paying rent, trashes the place and has to be evicted. Is that right?

    And, my all time favorite, when talking to a prospective PM about a 3/2 SFR that had just gone through a $40K full gut renovation, "oh, we could get a Section 8 tenant in this right away." :shoot:

    Sorry. All those questions posted before me are good questions. But, if a PM is ever going to get my business, they are going to have to show me that because they are professional and do this full time for a living, that they can do a better job, at less cost, than I can do myself. In essence, chosing a PM is the right financial decision and not a great big hairy risk and surrender of control. That they can locate, and retain, better tenants than I can. That the average length of stay is longer, that vacancy between tenants is shorter, and the tenants are lower maintance. That they can provide adequate assurance that they can control costs and aren't taking me for a ride.

    Guess I'll never use a PM.

  • Flipper · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2009 · 973 posts · 679 votes
    16y

    It's really eye opening to see some of things people try to get away with. Not just PMs, but Realtors, other investors, etc. There seems to be a severe lack of ethics in this business, but it probably extends to the country at large.

    Hopefully karma has its way of working things out, because I can't afford to fly to different parts of the country just to punch people in the face for ripping me off.

  • San Antonio, TX · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    16y

    Great tips, Josh! I agree. Vacancies and repairs are two things to really watch out for. That's insane to have to pay 1/2 a month's rent to fill vacancies. The ones I've worked with have charged no % for vacancies - this helps us to focus on just getting the unit filled with quality tenants. Also, it's good to watch out for the clause involving what happens in case of a "sale" - sometimes they will want you to list the property with them if deciding to sell and still in a lease agreement. I found out the hard way the difference between property managers and sales agents. Managers manage and salespeople sell. Great topic!

  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    16y

    The only decent property mgrs I've had in 40 years are my daughters and others I trained from scratch. NO ONE will ever take as good of care of your properties/money as you will, so train them to be like you.
    I've always had a bonus system , with a base % and a graduated bonus beginning at 90% and rising to 100% of rent collected per month. It makes them work hard to find tenants, do make ready quick and impress the importance of collecting rent.
    To owner, a vacant property is $1000, to the mgr it only represents 6-10% (60-100bucks). You have to dangle a carrott to be different from the other properties they handle, imo. Rich

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    16y
    I've always had a bonus system , with a base % and a graduated bonus beginning at 90% and rising to 100% of rent collected per month. It makes them work hard to find tenants, do make ready quick and impress the importance of collecting rent.
    To owner, a vacant property is $1000, to the mgr it only represents 6-10% (60-100bucks). You have to dangle a carrott to be different from the other properties they handle

    We have a saying around our office: "your compensation plan is your job description."

    Always work to align interests.

  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    16y

    Always be on the lookout for the "ulterior motives" the person you're communicating with might have-especially real estate people.... Rich

  • Real Estate Investor · FL · Member since 2010 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    16y

    1/2 month rent to fill vacancies do not appear to give the PM any incentive to find long-term tenants. In fact, the more turnover there is with a property, the more money they will make. Are there property managers that do not charge extra for this? Or are there other ways to give incentives when they find good tenants. Thanks for all the great info everybody!

  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    16y

    If you have to pay a realtor 1/2 month rent, stipulate you only pay once per 12 months and if tenant bails in 90 days, realtor re-imburses you . He may then find a good tenant and earn his fee. Rich in Luxor, Egypt on the Nile

  • Real Estate Investor · North Carolina · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 483 votes
    16y

    Personally, if I can grow enough, I'm looking for someone I can hire in-house. Plenty of problems with that, of course, but then again if this racket was easy everyone would be doing it......

  • Mobile Home Investor · Spanaway, WA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 578 votes
    16y

    Items that would need to be covered in the contract would include the following:
    1. Accounting of funds.
    2. Advertising of the property.
    3. Clause severability.
    4. Compliance with all laws.
    5. Delinquencies.
    6. Expenses.
    7. Claims.
    8. Indemnity.
    9. Independent Contractor Status.
    0. Insurance Requirements.
    1. Leasing commissions.
    2. Lease Execution bonus
    3. Legal Proceedings.
    4. Loan Payments.
    5. Maintenance & Repairs.
    6. Manager Pay.
    7. Miscellaneous charges and fees.
    8. Reports and when due to Owner.
    9. Notices to Tenants, Owner, or Management Company - how handled.
    0. Owner's responsibilities.
    1. Personnel.
    2. Legal Description of property.
    3. Signage requirements.
    4. Supplies & Supplies accountability.
    5. Tax Issues.

  • Real Estate Investor · Southern, CA · Member since 2010 · 84 posts · 30 votes
    15y

    Hello there. I realize this is an old thread, but if its like other forums I post on, the threads live on and provide wonderful information for people searching for info in the future.

    I am a property manager myself, of my own properties. As one of the PP said, no one can do it better than you.

    All points here are WONDERFUL, but The MOST important thing to look for and ask a property manager is about their tenant selection process. Having good tenants is the difference between liking being a landlord and HATING it.

    I took one of my properties subject to existing financing, already had a tenant in place from a realtor. When the tenant finally left, the house was a SHAMBLES. The realtor PM had simply taken the first applicant that had good credit and apparently didn't check anything else.

    Finding a tenant that will take care of the property is so important, and SO many PM companies will just take the first applicant and leave it at that. Important things to ask are:

    Please explain your tenant selection process. (best to leave it open so they can lead the conversation and not you.)

    After they've responded with their speal, if they haven't addressed the following, be sure to ask:
    -Do you run background checks on tenants?
    -Do you actually CALL references, past and current landlords, current and prior employers?
    -Do you call the police department to see if there have been any calls to that particular address/apartment?
    -Do you check where the applicant is living to see how s/he keeps their current living conditions?
    -Many tenants will NOT have good credit, what other ways do you gauge an applicant? (if their answer doesn't include looking to see how accurate their information was on their application vs on their credit report, NEXT!)
    -Do you use ratios, much like a bank does to determine if they can afford the rent? Do you gauge expenses that show on their bank statements to see what other spending patterns and expenses they have (not as restrictive as banks of course, but the premise is, will the tenant be able to pay for the rent)

    Secondly, always ask to see a copy of their rental contract to the tenant, or better yet, if you have your own, ask if they will use yours.

    Hope this helps some people and adds to this conversation! :roll:

  • Member since 2011 · 1 post · 1 vote
    15y

    Great info

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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    15y

    Good post. As Zion pointed out, the most important aspect of property management is finding a GOOD tenant. This places tenant screening at the top of the list for a good manager and when interviewing someone for the job, they should be able to show you a complete, fair, and clear process. They have to go through the steps every time.

    I lived in Hawaii for a few years and considered renting a property but their management fees were outlandish. They literally wanted a higher percentage for a vacant unit because finding a tenant took more work than managing a rented unit. SERIOUSLY?!? 25% when it was vacant, 15% when it was occupied. I asked where the incentive was to find a tenant and they said they were an honest, professional company. Uh-huh.

    I manage 130 properties for 40 different owners. I charge 10% of rent and that includes everything from advertising to screening to inspecting to evictions. In some cases, I make good money. In others, I work my tail off for $10 an hour. But I treat every property as if it were my own. I treat the owner of a single cottage the same as the owner with 40 properties. And I treat the tenant paying $350 a month with the same respect as the tenant paying $2,300 a month.

    By the way, my vacancy rate averages less than 1% year-round and it's been like that regardless of the housing market. If anyone's looking to invest in solid rental properties, check out Cody, Wyoming! ;)

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  • Multi-family Investor · CT · Member since 2010 · 1 post · 0 votes
    15y

    There's no real magic bullet to finding a really good property manager. I wish there was, but all these questions Josh and others have posted are a good start in weeding out the obvious dead weight. My experience regarding picking the one with the lowest fees does not always work. The question you really need to ask is what type of services I will receive for the fees I will be paying.
    Some of the replies to Josh post say they would never pay the one-time fee of 1/2 months rent once a tenant has been placed. Instead you need to ask, what services is this paying for? Most the time this fee goes toward advertising costs, showing the property, screening tenants and all the paperwork involved in placing the tenant. The monthly commission is usually for the monthly management of property, collecting rents, answering tenant question, and maintenance issues etc. No business does this for free; it's as simple as that.
    We are so fixated on the costs that we can miss the important things to look for.
    Number one on my list:
    - COMMUNICATION - I don't care how you do it, but do not leave me out of the loop. If everything is running smooth, I don't need to hear from you BUT if things are not going as planned…I need to know.
    - WALK THE TALK – Stick to your contract. If the tenant lease agreement calls out to charge a late fee for late rent….then charge it if tenant is late…period. Nothing is more annoying and unprofessional then when a property manager tells me…."all I can do is "ask" for the late fees but I can't force the tenant to pay". This goes for all the responsibilities of the property manager as well as owner responsibilities that are laid out in your contract.
    The rest is elementary…

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