investment property in North Carolina

investment property in North Carolina

Member since 2022 · 2 posts · 0 votes

hi Friends

I am looking to buy my first investment property in NC area

I have heard of Cary , Morrisville, Apex area but the homes are pricy here

Can you please recommend few places which are worthwhile and potential for rental and cash flow ?

Is a single family or town house better for rental income ?

I would appreciate any inputs / guidance

thanks in advance

Anna

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Adam SchneiderPro Member
Lender · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2012 · 957 posts · 639 votes
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@Annamalai Karthik "All business is good business at the right price"--Anon. Generally, if you are looking for cash flow as your sole goal, you'll be better off in secondary or tertiary markets rather than in the hotbed of the Triangle. If looking at townhomes, you'll likely have HOA dues--which will depress your cash flow.

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  • Adam SchneiderPro Member
    Lender · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2012 · 957 posts · 639 votes
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    @Annamalai Karthik "All business is good business at the right price"--Anon. Generally, if you are looking for cash flow as your sole goal, you'll be better off in secondary or tertiary markets rather than in the hotbed of the Triangle. If looking at townhomes, you'll likely have HOA dues--which will depress your cash flow.

  • Samara HuntleyPro Member
    Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2020 · 124 posts · 189 votes
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    Hi Anna, 

    Congrats on looking to get started in investing. I cannot speak to Apex/Cary area, however, I can speak to the Charlotte area. 

    Fastly growing and rated one of the fastest growing cities in America. As a native, it's fascinating to see the extreme growth! 

    As for investment opportunities, Charlotte itself has appreciated so fastly that it is hard to find any opportunities with any returns at all. I would advise looking in the submarkets of Charlotte. For instance, Concord, Kannapolis, Gastonia, Indian Trail/Monroe are all sub cities that my investors and I are still finding opportunity in. 

    Message me with any questions. Happy to help. 

  • Pat LulewiczBusiness Member
    Realtor · Raleigh NC and Greensboro, NC · Member since 2019 · 394 posts · 392 votes
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    Everything depends on the capital you have available, what kind of ROI you want, whether you're open to a speculative appreciation play, and your lendability. Charlotte and Raleigh can definitely work if you can afford the downpayment. To @Adam Schneider's point, townhomes will have HOA dues of $60+/m (and that's the low end, up to $300/m depending on whats included) and those will errode cash flow quickly.

    If this is your first rental property or you need a lowe entry point, I'd also take Adam's advice and look at secondary markets - Greensboro/High Point/Winston Salem (where I invest heavily), Fuquay/Holly Springs, Fayetteville, Burlington/Graham/Mebane, Rocky Mount just to name a few.

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  • Investor · Cary, NC · Member since 2012 · 218 posts · 196 votes
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    @Annamalai Karthik  I can tell you that with the recent price escalations, you will be hard-pressed to find any decent property that will even yield a break-even (zero) cash flow in Cary/Apex area (leveraged with 20% down).  Obviously, you can spend some time looking but if you find any then plse let me know ;)

  • Property Manager · Raleigh/Durham NC · Member since 2015 · 210 posts · 293 votes
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    @Annamalai Karthik

    204 Sunshine Crest Apex: 

    PITI: $1557/mo (20% down at 4% & $600/yr insurance).

    5% capex, 5% maint, 5% vacancy: $300

    10% prop mgnt: $200

    Rent:2,100/mo (in spring and allowing pets)

    Apex home values have gone up 29.7% YoY.

    You can have non-zero positive cash flow and speculative appreciation in Apex NC. 

    Good luck & LMK if I can help.

    -C

  • Pat LulewiczBusiness Member
    Realtor · Raleigh NC and Greensboro, NC · Member since 2019 · 394 posts · 392 votes
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    @Chris London can you let me know who that insurance provider is? Mine's at least double for that price property. Doesn't move the needle on your calc (which I agree with), but I'd love to have that resource!

  • Property Manager · Raleigh/Durham NC · Member since 2015 · 210 posts · 293 votes
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    @Pat Lulewicz I'm currently using Erie however had a similar rate through Allstate.

    Currently, for a similar priced property I own in the same zip code, I'm paying a premium of $458/year.

    -Landlord policy for individual and not an LLC.

    -$5K deductible (high deductible made a big diff for me in the annual premium)

    -DM me and I'll be happy to tell you the liability and medical payments coverage.

    -They did require I replace the roof at 20 years and trim back some trees, however.

  • Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2021 · 16 posts · 17 votes
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    @Annamalai Karthik As others have mentioned, you're going to be hard-pressed to find cashflow positive properties in the areas you listed (unless you're putting 30+% down). Rents haven't quite caught up to the high gains in home prices.

    If you can buy now and deal with some neutral (likely negative) cashflow for a year or two, I think it's a great region to be looking at.

  • Property Manager · Raleigh/Durham NC · Member since 2015 · 210 posts · 293 votes
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    Keep in mind w/ the numbers below, if you either live in the area and/or use some strategies you can keep a lot of the $300 + $500/mo for management and capex/maint/vacancy in your pocket and make a property like this a cash flowing property.

    Here's how:
    -Property Management (10%): Manage the property yourself. Can be done locally or out of state. (Suggest reading Brandon Turners book, managing rental properties).
    -Capex (5%):
    If the roof and hvac have enough life on them and you plan to sell after a few years of appreciation you can risk removing cap ex. from the cost structure.
    -Vacancy (5%):
    I currently average 7 days per 24 months on my properties in this area. If you price the property correctly you can expect multiple qualified applicants.You will still have some vacancy but it doesn't need to be 5%. Some are better at filing vacancies than others.
    Maintenance: Some properties are more turn key then others. They will all need work at some point. I do a lot of the work myself on the proerties I own. Clearly not for everyone and I still spend plenty on HVAC maintenance and more complicated repairs. 

    Many will point out that this becomes a job and they are certainly right. I don't plan to do it forever but as long as I can find the time and have strong back and work ethic I try not to pay anyone to do a job that I can do myself (except painting, I hate painting).


    Originally posted by @Chris London:

    @Annamalai Karthik

    204 Sunshine Crest Apex: 

    PITI: $1557/mo (20% down at 4% & $600/yr insurance).

    5% capex, 5% maint, 5% vacancy: $300

    10% prop mgnt: $200

    Rent:2,100/mo (in spring and allowing pets)

    Apex home values have gone up 29.7% YoY.

    You can have non-zero positive cash flow and speculative appreciation in Apex NC. 

    Good luck & LMK if I can help.

    -C

  • Christy SocashPro Member
    Investor · Erie Pa/ Girard, PA · Member since 2021 · 7 posts · 3 votes
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    @Annamalai Karthik Congratulations on moving into the real estate market! All of the information you have been given is good stuff! If you really are a newbie, I would suggest using the rental property calculator on Bigger Pockets to get a feel for how to spot a good deal. I believe this should be a starting point for most people. Just calculate deals that you may not even be interested in but will give you experience. One of the biggest mistakes we make is not working the numbers correctly, getting in over our heads and then giving up while losing money... All of the markets are difficult right now, so it may take a while to find a good property for you depending on what you need. Do you have to have cash flow right away? If so, you may need a fixer upper... Can you wait it out for the equity? If so, find a seller that is willing to do some creative finance, although you may not get a good ROI (return on investment) right away.

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