TRYING to purchase a home to live in

TRYING to purchase a home to live in

Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 87 posts · 19 votes

Good afternoon,

I am an aspiring wholesaler with goals of being an eventual buy/flip and buy/hold investor. My business has been on hold for a little bit until I finish my Master's degree in May of this year. When this happens, I plan to start wholesaling at full-steam.

I have begun the process to attempt to find a home for myself and I find myself at a significant road block, and I would like to get advice from the community.

The main issue that I am faced with is the debt-to-income ratio. Because of the student loans that I had to incur over the 10-year time frame it has taken me to get my two engineering degrees, my debt-to-income ratio makes it so that I am only able to qualify for a house in Detroit (no offense... Not in Metro Detroit, only the bad areas that @Joshua D. doesn't like... Lol.). I plan to use my wholesaling to pay down the loans but even an optimistic time frame to pay them back with wholesaling profits is still, likely, several years.

Also, I have the issue (that most young whippersnappers such as myself have) of having sub-par credit, however, it is not TOO far away from FHA qualified rates, but the debt-to-income issue stops me either way.

The suggestion was given to me by my faculty graduate advisor at school (who coincidentally enough, has also been investing in real estate for a few decades) to try to get into a home with a lease option for 3, 5 or 10 years with the hopes of improving my credit over time and being able to have a wholesaling business that can pay off the loans in cash in that time-frame.

So now, I have two questions:

1) Is that really the best option to take? Or does someone else know a better way to help make my situation go away quicker??

(Another idea I had was to skip wholesaling and jump right into buy/flip and do 5 flips with $40k profit or 10 flips with $20k profit and get funding from a HML who will do 100% financing and doesn't charge any points, so I can flip my way out of debt and clean up my credit, but I'm not sure if that is even possible to do or if HML's like that even exist. If they DO exist, I have a feeling they are a lot like finding a rainbow colored unicorn having a picnic with a Sasquatch in the middle of Central Park on a Saturday afternoon...)

2) IF doing a lease option for myself as the occupant, IS in fact, the best choice, how would I go about doing that? Since I have spent the last 15+ months investigating wholesaling, lease options are something that I haven't looked into yet (but I have started scouring the site for info on this)...

Any other suggestions to help this situation would be GREATLY appreciated!! :)

I apologize for my wordiness. If you have made it this far, you are a very kind person and I thank you sincerely for even reading about my struggles.

Warmest regards,

Mooro

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Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
12y

Now @Account Closed seems like a FHA with bad DTI is not going to be solved with family.

Here's my response with looking at a long term lease option or a contract for deed, when buying, not selling.

http://reiskills.evsuite.com/bp-studentloandebt-fhaloan/

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  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y

    See if your family will help you get a home. I don't know any HML that will do 100% with no upfront points.

    Joe Gore

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 87 posts · 19 votes
    12y

    Thanks @Account Closed for reading!

    I'm not sure if my family will be able to help, but it's doesn't hurt to ask!!

    All they can say is "no" right...? :-\

    Hopefully, one of them can help.

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    Now @Account Closed seems like a FHA with bad DTI is not going to be solved with family.

    Here's my response with looking at a long term lease option or a contract for deed, when buying, not selling.

    http://reiskills.evsuite.com/bp-studentloandebt-fhaloan/

    No links, no ads

  • Castlewood, VA · Member since 2012 · 177 posts · 57 votes
    12y

    If you want to live in the home, best course of action IMO is to use a land contract (owner financing). You'll pay a higher interest rate, but as long as you have verifiable income, a seller will likely sell to you. Closing works just like a regular closing, except there is no bank involved. Just make sure the closing is at a title company and not on some shady guy's trunk and somehow involves a quit claim deed.

    Agents can find land contracts for you, or you can use a site like Zillow to search for them.

    If you want my agent's info, just DM me and I'll send it over.

  • Flint, MI · Member since 2013 · 106 posts · 38 votes
    12y

    why not lease your residence and put your energy into increasing your income, both from your job after graduating and from wholesaling and flipping on the side. Income is half of dti .

    I went through a similar thought process and decided to stop putting my energy into my residence and instead focused on generating income. So far, it's proving to be a good decision.

  • Investor/Realtor · Hoover, AL · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 459 votes
    12y

    @Mooro El ...Consider a lease option or owner financing. Work to improve credit and income to refinance in 3-5 yrs...Refi qualification can be easier...Good luck!

  • Specialist · Rockland, MA · Member since 2010 · 7k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    @Mooro El

    Welcome. Time to build the foundation below.

    Two Great reads, I bought both J. Scott The Book on Flipping Houses,The Book on Estimating ReHab Costshttp://www.biggerpockets.com/flippingbook

    Locate and attend 3 different local REIA club meetings great place to meet people gather resources and info. Here you will meet wholesalers who provide deals and all the cash buyers (rehabbers) you will need.

    You might consider Niche or Specialized Housing like student housing. Rents can be 2-4 times more. Remember you don't have to own a property to control it.

    Download BP’s newest book here some good due diligence in Chapter 10. Real Estate Rewind Starting over

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/files/user/brandonatbp/file/real-estate-rewind-a-biggerpockets-community-book

    Good luck

    Paul

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Cookeville, TN · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 948 votes
    12y

    @Mooro El - Welcome to BP. I did the Master's in Engineering thing too (a long time ago), but mine was a non-thesis option. Anyway, are your working an engineering j-o-b right now, or are you full-time in school?

  • Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 308 posts · 170 votes
    12y

    OK Mooro.........I have to state what I see to be the obvious. You said you are getting your masters degree? Get that degree and go to your chosen field and then do this on the side. Since flipping houses doesnt even require a High School educatioin you are drastically selling yourself short by even entertaining this. Guess how many properties you would have if you could exchange stund dent for mortgage debt?...you see my point. You need to mine your chosen path..anything else is a step backwards. Let your Masters degree fund your future ventures or whatever once you are established. PATIENCE MY FRIEND. ......You are so far ahead of the game with that great education !. Good Luck

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 87 posts · 19 votes
    12y

    I would like to sincerely thank you, @Brian Gibbons , for taking the time to make a video reply! I will most certainly start looking into doing the things you suggested in this video. If I need any help, I will be sure to contact you.

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Cookeville, TN · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 948 votes
    12y

    I think Jay C is right on target. Have a little patience and use some salary to clean up the credit and improve the debt-to-income ratio.

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Mooro El:
    I would like to sincerely thank you, @Brian Gibbons , for taking the time to make a video reply! I will most certainly start looking into doing the things you suggested in this video. If I need any help, I will be sure to contact you.

    Great to know it helped! Please call if u have any question!

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 87 posts · 19 votes
    12y

    Hi @Account Closed ! Thanks for your response!

    I searched Zillow for Land Contracts but I guess I'm not using the right search criteria because nothing came up. I have been working with a Realtor in this area but I did not get a chance to ask her about this. I will send you a PM so we can discuss this further. Thanks!

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 87 posts · 19 votes
    12y

    Hi @Scott McMahan ,

    Thanks for your reply. After looking at many of the suggestions given, leasing is definitely what I plan to do. Just that I will make sure it is a lease with the option to purchase after a few years when my DTI and FICO score heal. Building my business will be one of my main priorities after I graduate, for sure.

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 87 posts · 19 votes
    12y

    Thanks for the reply @Rolanda Eldridge !!

    Lease option is definitely something I am considering. Also, owner financing is something I should look into as well. Do you have any tips or suggestions on finding owner financed properties?

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 87 posts · 19 votes
    12y

    Thanks for your reply @Paul Timmins !!

    I have purchased both of @J Scott 's books and have begun to read them. And I downloaded the community book is well. They all have really awesome content in them. I am definitely an avid listener of the podcast as well. BiggerPockets has been the main thing that has kept me going after all this time with no deals to let me know that real estate is the right decision and that I just have to keep at it and it is almost certain I will be successful with it, sooner or later. Hopefully, sooner than later. Lol.

  • Bedford, NH · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Does your employer offer tuition assistance?

    If yes, sign up for another degree program. Cheapest you can find. Two graduate courses a year = half time status = student deferment.

    Loan payments made while in deferment are principal only. True, you will be capitalizing interest, but the math can still very much work. It has as big an impact on pay-down as principal-only payments on a mortgage.

    Also, make sure you consolidate all of your loans. $100k in student loans spread over 3-4 loans will result in a significantly higher total monthly payments than the same amount in one loan.

    Finally, FHA doesn't count loans in deferred status against your DTI. Which is stupid; they should. But they don't.

    Getting your credit to the 620-640 you want before applying for an FHA loan isn't hard.

  • Investor/Realtor · Hoover, AL · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 459 votes
    12y

    @Mooro El ..Some owner financing properties are listed on MLS. Meet with local RE investors and inquire about deals. You can also call for Rent properties and ask if they will consider selling with financing. Some will be open with a down payment 3K or more...Good luck!

  • Flint, MI · Member since 2013 · 106 posts · 38 votes
    12y

    I personally wouldn't bother with an option unless it comes at no cost and is for current value or less. Better just to get the lowest rent in the area that will best support your income generation imo. Insisting on an option to purchase will limit your field of rental choices and any money spent on an option would most likely get a much better return for you put into marketing and/or flipping.

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Mooro El:
    Thanks for your reply @Paul Timmins !!
    I have purchased both of @J Scott 's books and have begun to read them. And I downloaded the community book is well. They all have really awesome content in them. I am definitely an avid listener of the podcast as well. BiggerPockets has been the main thing that has kept me going after all this time with no deals to let me know that real estate is the right decision and that I just have to keep at it and it is almost certain I will be successful with it, sooner or later. Hopefully, sooner than later. Lol.

    Think about doing some lease option assignments and sub2 purchase then lease outs where you are, easier than wholesaling.

    see my profile for free negotiation for newbies.

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/users/REISkills

    In Baltimore talk to

    @Ned Carey , buy him some dinner, he'll help you some how.

    Remember, wholesaling takes time and a hell of a marketing budget. like 6 - 12 months. Ask @Dev Horn

    Think about bird dogging and finding nice pretty houses in good school districts with little equity. I'll help you. See

    www.ThinEquityDeals.com

    And get to your REIAs!

    Brian

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 87 posts · 19 votes
    12y

    Thanks for your reply @Bryan L. !

    I am working full time for the DOD right now utilizing my degree. And coincidentally, my degree will be non-thesis option as well. So I am definitely looking forward to my income increasing after I obtain my degree. However, I know that I need to start investing as much as time allows as well to pay off the loans as fast as possible.

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 87 posts · 19 votes
    12y

    Thanks for the reply and kudos @Jay C. !!

    I agree that my degree is a very useful tool to have. But I also plan to do some investing on the side as much as I can as another source of income while I am advancing myself in my current career.

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 87 posts · 19 votes
    12y

    Thanks for your reply @Richard C. !

    My current employer does offer tuition assistance (at times, depending on how the DOD budget looks...) and my loans are also in deferment right now. Unfortunately, I think I am all schooled out for the time being. I've been in secondary education for 10 years now. The way I look at it is, whether I defer them until 6 months from now or another degrees worth of time from now, at some point, I will still have to pay them back and if my income hasn't increased significantly by then, I will be in the same boat on the same river I'm on now... I'm trying to make sure I build up my business on nights and weekends as much as I can when I graduate so I can eventually not have to worry about these debts hanging over my head anymore.

    On your second point, I will definitely look into consolidating all of my loans to decrease my payments. The issue is finding a reputable company to do that for me. All the ones from the commercials seem very shady, at best. If you know of any reputable companies that do debt consolidation, PLEASE let me know...

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 87 posts · 19 votes
    12y

    I had heard about owner-financed properties available on the MLS a while back but completely forgot about it until you just mentioned it. That's a GREAT idea!! I will have my agent, and maybe even a few others look for some of them for me! Your idea of calling for rent properties is awesome as well! I will utilize both of those ideas to try to find something! Thanks for your suggestions @Rolanda Eldridge

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 87 posts · 19 votes
    12y

    @Scott McMahan , that's a good point about putting money into marketing, which I, admittedly, need to do more of... :-\

    You mentioning the marketing aspect puts me on the fence now...

    Maybe I will only do one if I can get if for little to no money down with a property that has some equity in it.

    Thanks for bringing this point up to me. Marketing is definitely the most important thing any investor can have so I shouldn't take money away from my business, unless absolutely necessary...

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