Just bought a house with ZERO of my own money

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Just bought a house with ZERO of my own money

Jeremy Horton
Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Rehab and downpayment was done using a brokerage margin loan - 5% open ended. I could let let the cashflow from the property pay it back, but I'm not going to do that. I'll take the cashflow and invest it back in the market. Then take another margin loan. Rest of property was financed w/ a 30 year fixed rate mortgage. Why use hard money or private money at 10%+ when you can just take a margin loan w/ better terms than you'll find anywhere else? On top of that the margin interest is deductible. So I'll get a tax deduction on money that wasn't taxed (loan itself) and isn't even mine. Then I'll take depreciation and all the other deductions when I didn't use a single of my own dollars. Will I ever actually pay the loan back? Probably not. I'll never sell my stocks for this exact reason. I will only use RE to increase my stocks to take more margin to buy more RE. 

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Bo SmithPro Member
Hinton, WV · Member since 2026 · 1k+ posts · 373 votes
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Jeremy, this is a legitimate wealth-building strategy, and you're thinking about the tax and leverage angles correctly. Using margin loans against appreciating securities to fund RE acquisitions and then reinvesting the cash flow is clever. The math works if you have a large taxable account and discipline around rebalancing.

The key risk nobody talks about: margin calls. If your stock portfolio drops 20-30% in a correction, your broker forces a liquidation at exactly the wrong time. You might have a solid RE deal throwing off k/month in cash flow, but if your margin requirements spike and you can't refinance out of hard money quickly, you're forced to sell securities at a loss. The leverage that looked smooth in a bull market gets ugly fast when volatility hits.

Second angle: depreciation and deductible interest are real, but they're real for any deal structure. The arbitrage you're capturing is between margin rates and mortgage rates plus the spread between your RE cash flow and the margin interest. That works until rates invert or your brokerage cuts margin availability. We saw that in 2008 -- margin calls froze a lot of deals that looked identical to yours.

What's your plan if your brokerage reduces margin availability or rates spike? And how much of your portfolio are you comfortable keeping in that margin-backed state long-term?

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  • Bo SmithPro Member
    Hinton, WV · Member since 2026 · 1k+ posts · 373 votes
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    That margin loan approach is clever. Most people don't think about it because they're stuck in the hard money / private money mindset, but you're right -- at 5% with the interest deduction, you're beating what most investors get on traditional financing.

    One question though -- are you stress testing for what happens if the stock market drops 30-40% and your broker issues a margin call? That's the risk I'd be watching. You've got a good strategy for building RE, but margin calls don't care about your cashflow or long-term vision. Have you thought through your exit if the market gets ugly?

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  • Bo SmithPro Member
    Hinton, WV · Member since 2026 · 1k+ posts · 373 votes
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    The margin loan structure is interesting, but you're banking on not hitting a serious liquidity event. A margin call during a market downturn is a real risk. I've seen guys get forced to liquidate positions at exactly the wrong time because their margin requirements spiked. That's the hidden risk nobody talks about.

    That said, the tax angle is solid if your brokerage account can actually carry that debt long term. The deduction on borrowed money that isn't taxed income is real. But most investors I know who run this strategy had existing wealth to absorb a margin call. Without that cushion, you're playing with fire.

    How much liquid buffer are you keeping outside the margin account, just in case the market takes a 20-30% dive?

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  • Bo SmithPro Member
    Hinton, WV · Member since 2026 · 1k+ posts · 373 votes
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    This is a sophisticated play and honestly, if your brokerage is comfortable with the margin terms, it's hard to beat 5% open-ended. The tax arbitrage is real -- you get the deduction on margin interest for money you didn't actually earn, which is a pretty clean legal loophole. And yeah, not selling the underlying stocks to pay down the margin loan is the whole point. You're extracting equity without creating a taxable event.

    The main risk here that people miss is portfolio volatility. If your stock holdings crater 30% in a down market, you get a margin call and suddenly you're forced to either add cash or liquidate. In a tight real estate market where you've got a deal that's performing well, that's the wrong time to be forced to sell equities. Did you stress-test what happens to your margin position if the market pulls back 25-30%?

    Second thing: make sure you're not getting too cute with the 1031 game after you eventually sell. A brokerage margin loan isn't like a hard money or bank loan -- the IRS can get finicky about whether the interest deduction holds up under audit if the loan isn't directly tied to the property acquisition. Have you run this structure by a CPA who specifically handles real estate leverage strategies?

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  • Aaron ZimmermanBusiness Member
    Accountant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Not a bad thought. What interest rate is your margin loan at? The only caveat here is you're 100% leveraged so it has to be the right deal. Also, did you max a loan out on your stocks? If yes, what happens if there's a significant (10-20%) market dip?

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    • Jeremy Horton
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      Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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      Quote from @Aaron Zimmerman:

      Not a bad thought. What interest rate is your margin loan at? The only caveat here is you're 100% leveraged so it has to be the right deal. Also, did you max a loan out on your stocks? If yes, what happens if there's a significant (10-20%) market dip?


      Interest rate is 4.8% (it actually goes down the more you borrow). I actually think it's a relatively safe play interest rate wise. This administration wants to see interest rates go down. The Iran situation will be "over" enough fairly soon so there's minimal concern on inflation regarding oil prices. Job market has been crappy. Housing is still unaffordable. New Fed chair comes in May. I expect rates to slowly decrease if anything. The kicker here is that the interest rate is variable. 

      It is leveraged, but it makes sense as opposing to selling stocks for the rehab and down payment. With a down payment I'd have to sell stocks, pay capital gains, get no write-off, and have less compound interest (since I'd have less invested). Why not borrow money that isn't mine and get to write off the interest? So for a 50k loan @5% - we'd have a $2500 wirte-off (assuming we don't pay down the loan and maintain the 50k loan), and over the long term the stock market essentially arbitrages the margin loan (historically speaking anyway). 

      I am no where close to being maxed out on margin on my stocks. Over the long term we can expect to see 8-10% gains/year. If you're selective this has been fairly easy to beat over the last 10 years or so. If the stock market drops 10%, I simply buy more shares. If it drops 20% I will take out another margin loan to buy more stocks. Then when it recovers I'll make a gain on money that isn't mine, write off the margin interest, possibly take some profits and pay some of it down for better opportunities. 

      As far as being margin called - (1) you can simply add more cash to pay down your margin or buy more stocks (2) You can see what the maintenance requirement is (generally 25% or so) so you can calculate your buffer between your portfolio value and the maintenance requirement. So there is no reason to get margin called if you manage your risk. 

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    • Aaron ZimmermanBusiness Member
      Accountant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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      @Jeremy Horton thank you for cogent points on this. Well put and 4.8% is a phenomenal rate. You're likely not getting that rate anywhere. 

      I agree selling the stocks would be inefficient from both a tax and cash perspective. 

      Best of luck!

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  • Bo SmithPro Member
    Hinton, WV · Member since 2026 · 1k+ posts · 373 votes
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    Jeremy, this is a legitimate wealth-building strategy, and you're thinking about the tax and leverage angles correctly. Using margin loans against appreciating securities to fund RE acquisitions and then reinvesting the cash flow is clever. The math works if you have a large taxable account and discipline around rebalancing.

    The key risk nobody talks about: margin calls. If your stock portfolio drops 20-30% in a correction, your broker forces a liquidation at exactly the wrong time. You might have a solid RE deal throwing off k/month in cash flow, but if your margin requirements spike and you can't refinance out of hard money quickly, you're forced to sell securities at a loss. The leverage that looked smooth in a bull market gets ugly fast when volatility hits.

    Second angle: depreciation and deductible interest are real, but they're real for any deal structure. The arbitrage you're capturing is between margin rates and mortgage rates plus the spread between your RE cash flow and the margin interest. That works until rates invert or your brokerage cuts margin availability. We saw that in 2008 -- margin calls froze a lot of deals that looked identical to yours.

    What's your plan if your brokerage reduces margin availability or rates spike? And how much of your portfolio are you comfortable keeping in that margin-backed state long-term?

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  • Travis TimmonsPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Ellsworth, ME · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    @Bo Smith the stock market only goes up.

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    • Jeremy Horton
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      Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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      Quote from @Travis Timmons:

      @Bo Smith the stock market only goes up.


       Yep, just like the housing market 

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