Doing your own COMPS and procedures to assign and do a double close with your end buyer

Doing your own COMPS and procedures to assign and do a double close with your end buyer

Grounds Maintenance · Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2009 · 143 posts · 11 votes

Your advice is greatly appreciated. Great website. Thanks to all you helpful foks that take the time to share your experiences.

Title: Doing your own Comps!  Sorry about the Length. I will improve as I go.

Could possibly have an opportunity. Property needs a lot. I would live to become precise with doing my own comps and have looked. Problem is: Takes a long time and probably slowing me down, so another person will grab the deal. 

Have licensed contractor's in place, although untested. If I do not have a meeting of the minds with the seller meaning "Under Contract" with an "Assignment of Contract" contingent upon my estimates matching the seller's or around the same ballpark figures, I could have the deal, if it is that in fact, stolen from me. 

I am getting pretty good at seeing how the Town Assessor's value things, such as Garages, Carpools, etc. I am not quite ready to reply on my adjustments to my comps, so I will pay for a CMA to be done. I am going to see if I can get the assignment of contract signed first. Sound right?

Seller is not going to reveal what he bought for, and that is his perogative, so I need to make sure there is enough if a margin for me to assign to another Investor. 

Steps, I know are: Start at correct ARV with a CMA, then multiply by 0.70% to hedge against the inevitable, then continue to deduct ALL holding expenses for anticipated length of time for rehab. I have to include Taxes, Vacant house Insurance, electricity, trash if any, sewer/water, if title V is needed add that, and any newspaper advertising, mls fees, broker commissions for avg DOM for the area, and a qualified appraisal of the new value at the end of the rehab.

I would like to close with the seller and have a complete professional report of the profit potential, with all expenses itemized for each month ready for the end buyer. Do an assignment with a double close.

Earnest money will be negotiated with the seller. My thinking is, that these days, clever folks are offering more as a way of making there offers look more appealing.

I want to get this done by Monday. 

So again in a nutshell
1. I need to establish an accurate ARV with the CMA or Appraisal. 
2. Now I need to sell the seller on how my price is the accurate price for that neighborhood, and use my comps to back me up.
3.Then provide the seller with the negotiated EMD to show, I have skin in the game.
4. 
I then need to get the Contractor's in there to estimate the repairs. I will then use the repair estimates to negotiate a fair price. I will also try to barter on the rehab total and time.
5. Now hopefully if everything is on track, the same day I close with the seller, I will approach my buyer and give them the report with all the verified holding, broker, expenses, I mentioned above. I will allow my end buyer time to do a walk through. I will barter with him about my fee to assign. We will come to agreement, or I will try my second buyer, or use the Inspection Clause to back out of the deal without losing my EMD.

Yes, I will use a lawyer to review State Regs and ensure that my offer does not break any laws and protects me in case of a hurricane or health problems of the seller or me.

Any other exit strategies that will not be offensive to the seller here, that I could use? I know that most of the contingencies should be removed to be successful.

If I were in the middle as buyer B, would you purchase Title Insurance?  I have heard LOTS about this, and some say always and some say No. This would have to be added to my wholesale fee to get my desired income.

How is my knowledge of the procedures?  I sincerely apologize for the lengthy message. I just want to give as many details as possible. Thank you all.

I know that COMPS 4 and 5 are over a mile away and they possibly should not be used.

NOTE: There were much higher priced homes close. Should I use them if the beds and baths are similar?

Property Address Prop A Prop B Prop C Prop D Prop E Prop F
Town SUBJECT PROP COMP ! COMP 2 COMP 3 COMP 4 COMP 5
Distance from Subject 433 Ft 106 Ft 220 Ft 1.7 Miles 1.7 Miles
Last Sold date NA
Last Sales Price $465,000.00 $286,000.00 $305,900.00 $420,000.00 $465,000.00
Building Value $109,800.00 $158,500.00 $99,300.00 $120,100.00 $195,400.00
Land Value $204,100.00 NA $203,100.00 $203,400.00 $233,700.00 $205,600.00
Xtra Features Value $6,000.00 NA $1,500.00 $0.00 $300.00 $24,100.00
Assessed Value $319,900.00 NA $363,100.00 $302,700.00 $351,400.00 $425,100.00
Zestimate $347,000.00 NA $325,000.00 $300,365.00 $385,000.00 $450,000.00
Price / sq. ft. NA $164.00 $226.00 $228.00 $182.00
Property Type Single Family/Gambrel NA Single Family Single Family/Ranch Single Family Single Family
Bedrooms 3.0 NA 3.0 3.0 4.0 4.0
Bathrooms 2.0 NA 1.0 1.0 1.0 2.0
Total Rooms 6.0 NA 6.0 6.0 8.0 9.0
Living Space 1,826 NA 1,738 1,668 1,835 2,552
Lot Size 0.456 NA 0.354 0.350 1.150 0.603
Central Air No NA No NA NA NA
Heat Type Oil Forced HW NA Oil Forced HW Oil Forced Hot Air Oil Forced HW NA
Roof Type Asphalt NA Asphalt Asphalt Asphalt Asphalt
Siding Vinyl Siding NA Vinyl NA Vinyl Wood
Built In 1923 NA 1850 1953 1910 1830
Fireplaces 1 NA 0 1 2
Garage 575 NA No NA No 0
Pool 0 NA $0 0 0 512
Shed 90 NA 10 x 12 0 48 592
Patio 0 NA 10 x 10 0 0 0
Barn 0 NA $0 0 0 1,100
Carport 0 NA $0 0 0 10 x 22
Shop Loft 0 NA $0 0 0 336

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  • Curt DavisBusiness Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Memphis, TN · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    If you are planning on assigning the contract to an investor then you dont have to worry about holding cost or actually renovating it as you will never actually take an ownership interest in the property.  

    Curt Davis - KAIZEN Realty538 Reviews
  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y

    First of all, of all what the seller paid for the property has nothing to do with your offer. Have the contractors to give a written estimate so you can give a copy to the seller to show what the cost of the repairs and hope your contractors do not jack the price on the repairs. Give the seller $1000 non refunded deposit. As it looked, you want to tie up the property for the x amount of days and want your EM back if you fail to find a buyer.


    Joe Gore

  • Grounds Maintenance · Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2009 · 143 posts · 11 votes
    12y

    <h3>Sorry all. I placed a spreadsheet in the box above and it looked fine, now today I see it got all screwed up.</h3>

    Providing the holding costs just puts me in the "Full Service Wholesaler" category. Some Investors want it, some might not care. Providing the holding costs is actually easier than establishing actual comp values in the area. There are properties fairly close that cost as much as $800K more. I did not actually look at them to see if they are similar in beds and baths.

    Should I use the higher priced props?

    The seller's ARV looks to me like it is higher than what it should be. I can take the 4 comps, I have average the 4 and get an average price. Then subtract value from the properties that have extra beds, baths and features to bring inline with subject property. And add to the subject property for features it has that the comps do not. I believe that I found some information on current values of Garages, Beds and Baths, and now I just need to search my computer and find them.

    I like doing this, but I don't want to trust my values yet.

    The Seller will meet today and I have that old fear that I might do something wrong, but I am going to try and get a C.M.A. for the property, and try to get the right to assign.

    I called him to meet, but no answer. Who knows, maybe I won't get the chance to meet, because of something that I said. He has done many of these, and he probably could tell that I am new. Will he call back? It's anyone's guess.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    12y

    You either assign the contract or you double close, not both.  The 70% rule includes holding/financing costs.  You need to know Reno costs, in order to price it right, it the end buyer will estimate his own.  Look at the comps and their neighborhood to see of they are "comparable" to the subject property.  Inaccurate comp.s is the most common mistake.

  • Gwynn Oak, MD · Member since 2015 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Ronald H.:

    Your advice is greatly appreciated. Great website. Thanks to all you helpful foks that take the time to share your experiences.

    Title: Doing ywholesalingmps!  Sorry about the Length. I will improve as I go.

    Could possibly have an opportunity. Property needs a lot. I would live to become precise with doing my own comps and have looked. Problem is: Takes a long time and probably slowing me down, so another person will grab the deal. 

    Have licensed contractor's in place, although untested. If I do not have a meeting of the minds with the seller meaning "Under Contract" with an "Assignment of Contract" contingent upon my estimates matching the seller's or around the same ballpark figures, I could have the deal, if it is that in fact, stolen from me. 

    I am getting pretty good at seeing how the Town Assessor's value things, such as Garages, Carpools, etc. I am not quite ready to reply on my adjustments to my comps, so I will pay for a CMA to be done. I am going to see if I can get the assignment of contract signed first. Sound right?

    Seller is not going to reveal what he bought for, and that is his perogative, so I need to make sure there is enough if a margin for me to assign to another Investor. 

    Steps, I know are: Start at correct ARV with a CMA, then multiply by 0.70% to hedge against the inevitable, then continue to deduct ALL holding expenses for anticipated length of time for rehab. I have to include Taxes, Vacant house Insurance, electricity, trash if any, sewer/water, if title V is needed add that, and any newspaper advertising, mls fees, broker commissions for avg DOM for the area, and a qualified appraisal of the new value at the end of the rehab.

    I would like to close with the seller and have a complete professional report of the profit potential, with all expenses itemized for each month ready for the end buyer. Do an assignment with a double close.

    Earnest money will be negotiated with the seller. My thinking is, that these days, clever folks are offering more as a way of making there offers look more appealing.

    I want to get this done by Monday. 

    So again in a nutshell
    1. I need to establish an accurate ARV with the CMA or Appraisal. 
    2. Now I need to sell the seller on how my price is the accurate price for that neighborhood, and use my comps to back me up.
    3.Then provide the seller with the negotiated EMD to show, I have skin in the game.
    4. 
    I then need to get the Contractor's in there to estimate the repairs. I will then use the repair estimates to negotiate a fair price. I will also try to barter on the rehab total and time.
    5. Now hopefully if everything is on track, the same day I close with the seller, I will approach my buyer and give them the report with all the verified holding, broker, expenses, I mentioned above. I will allow my end buyer time to do a walk through. I will barter with him about my fee to assign. We will come to agreement, or I will try my second buyer, or use the Inspection Clause to back out of the deal without losing my EMD.

    Yes, I will use a lawyer to review State Regs and ensure that my offer does not break any laws and protects me in case of a hurricane or health problems of the seller or me.

    Any other exit strategies that will not be offensive to the seller here, that I could use? I know that most of the contingencies should be removed to be successful.

    If I were in the middle as buyer B, would you purchase Title Insurance?  I have heard LOTS about this, and some say always and some say No. This would have to be added to my wholesale fee to get my desired income.

    How is my knowledge of the procedures?  I sincerely apologize for the lengthy message. I just want to give as many details as possible. Thank you all.

    I know that COMPS 4 and 5 are over a mile away and they possibly should not be used.

    NOTE: There were much higher priced homes close. Should I use them if the beds and baths are similar?

    Property Address Prop A Prop B Prop C Prop D Prop E Prop F
    Town SUBJECT PROP COMP ! COMP 2 COMP 3 COMP 4 COMP 5
    Distance from Subject 433 Ft 106 Ft 220 Ft 1.7 Miles 1.7 Miles
    Last Sold date NA
    Last Sales Price $465,000.00 $286,000.00 $305,900.00 $420,000.00 $465,000.00
    Building Value $109,800.00 $158,500.00 $99,300.00 $120,100.00 $195,400.00
    Land Value $204,100.00 NA $203,100.00 $203,400.00 $233,700.00 $205,600.00
    Xtra Features Value $6,000.00 NA $1,500.00 $0.00 $300.00 $24,100.00
    Assessed Value $319,900.00 NA $363,100.00 $302,700.00 $351,400.00 $425,100.00
    Zestimate $347,000.00 NA $325,000.00 $300,365.00 $385,000.00 $450,000.00
    Price / sq. ft. NA $164.00 $226.00 $228.00 $182.00
    Property Type Single Family/Gambrel NA Single Family Single Family/Ranch Single Family Single Family
    Bedrooms 3.0 NA 3.0 3.0 4.0 4.0
    Bathrooms 2.0 NA 1.0 1.0 1.0 2.0
    Total Rooms 6.0 NA 6.0 6.0 8.0 9.0
    Living Space 1,826 NA 1,738 1,668 1,835 2,552
    Lot Size 0.456 NA 0.354 0.350 1.150 0.603
    Central Air No NA No NA NA NA
    Heat Type Oil Forced HW NA Oil Forced HW Oil Forced Hot Air Oil Forced HW NA
    Roof Type Asphalt NA Asphalt Asphalt Asphalt Asphalt
    Siding Vinyl Siding NA Vinyl NA Vinyl Wood
    Built In 1923 NA 1850 1953 1910 1830
    Fireplaces 1 NA 0 1 2
    Garage 575 NA No NA No 0
    Pool 0 NA $0 0 0 512
    Shed 90 NA 10 x 12 0 48 592
    Patio 0 NA 10 x 10 0 0 0
    Barn 0 NA $0 0 0 1,100
    Carport 0 NA $0 0 0 10 x 22
    Shop Loft 0 NA $0 0 0 336

     hello 

    please advise what EMD stands for? In regards to COMPS i was told choose choose 4-6 homes within a 6 block radius that has been sold at the highest price for that area. Your COMPS should be compared to the home you are interestedn such as sq. Ft ( shouldnt be no greater than 400 sq. Ft. More than potential property), # bdr & # bth, price & sold date, etc.

  • Gwynn Oak, MD · Member since 2015 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

    You either assign the contract or you double close, not both.  The 70% rule includes holding/financing costs.  You need to know Reno costs, in order to price it right, it the end buyer will estimate his own.  Look at the comps and their neighborhood to see of they are "comparable" to the subject property.  Inaccurate comp.s is the most common mistake.

     hello please provide good resources or websites to retrieve comps without needing licencing.  Thank you

  • Helotes, TX · Member since 2014 · 7 posts · 5 votes
    11y

    EMD - earnest money deposit

    The best of comps will come from primarily two sources, appraiser or real estate agent and yes they both need licensing.  Develop a relationship with a seasoned, competent real estate agent or broker in the area now.  Most agents look forward to developing new clients particularly that have interest in selling or buying in the near future.  

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