Am I a jerk for proposing this deal?

Am I a jerk for proposing this deal?

Lender · Springfield, MO · Member since 2015 · 379 posts · 180 votes

I want to consider proposing this deal to our realtor. (short back story to follow):

We are selling our townhome that we bought with a 0% down VA loan in January of 2014.

We used our realestate agent to buy and want to use again her to sell.

Since she made a little over $10k on the purchase and are selling so soon, would it be inapropriate/jerkish to ask for her cut to be a little smaller on this sale?

What I was thinking is that if we sell the house for $330K, minus $6K for renovations to the home, $5K for closing costs, and $23,100, I can break even.

The largest cost there is the realtor fee. Would it be jerkish to ask for a flat 2% which would bring realtor fees to 17K? Or could I structure a deal where she gets a garunteed 2% and 3.5% if she can get $330k or higher?

Any other ideas?

Back story: we were planning on holding the property for 2 more years, but I have a miltary deployement this summer, and want to sell. We used the same real estate agent and she was really great and is kind of a friend. So, can I ask for a lower rate since we have brought her so much business?

Thanks guys,

Greg

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Lender · San Diego, CA · Member since 2011 · 664 posts · 231 votes
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@Greg Downey it's not wrong to ask her to cut the overall commission. It's done all the time and a total of 5% commission split between both agents can still be a fair amount for both agents. Most buyer's agents only get 3% not 3.5% so asking her to take 2% when you offer to pay the buyer's agent 3.5% will probably come across as an insult, plus your agent is the one who's going to be spending all the money to market your property.

When you approach your agent with this proposal just ask her "what can she do to help out with lowering the commissions on the resale," then shut your mouth and wait for her to answer. You might be surprised at what she says and may end up with a better deal than you expected.

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  • Investor · Central Valley, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Doug P.:

    I can't believe the 'standard' commission is still 7% in San Diego! With prices as high as they are there that's highway robbery. Toronto has similar prices and most agents will jump at 3%.

    It's not.  Not sure why the OP posted that, or if his actual experience was 7%.  It's 6% for most residential in CA, with 5% being pretty common. Flat fee listings with 2.5-3% buyer commission get plenty of action in most areas.

  • Bedford, NH · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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     Because, as was stated above, there is really no such thing as a "frequent use discount."  She will have to advertise again.  She will have to schedule showings and open houses.  She will have to babysit the sale through to closing.

    Just be honest with yourself about what you are doing.  You are essentially saying, "My market is hot enough that I don't have to pay the standard commission, so I am not going to."  And that is fine.  But don't try to convince yourself that because the house is being listed again after a year, the agent's costs are lower and she should therefore be amenable to a discount.

  • Investor · Detroit, MI · Member since 2014 · 755 posts · 462 votes
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    Originally posted by @Greg Downey:

    John, the sounds really tempting. to do a FSBO. Did it make it harder to do all of the closing stuff and paperwork? honestly, I think that was the best part about having an agent was having someone else to take care of the paperwork. I was able to find the best homes. I just HATE paperwork.

     There is a big difference between selling a house in Kalamazoo MI for maybe $60,000-$90,000 and selling a house in San Diego CA for $330,000.  The realtor won't waste your time or theirs showing your house to the 90% of people that can't qualify to buy a house for more than $300,000 

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    Investor · Encinitas, CA · Member since 2013 · 116 posts · 48 votes
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    @Greg Downey, Make the request to your realtor, and if you can't get her to list the property for 5% total, or less, reach out to me to discuss a strategy to get the home sold for the price you need to break even.

  • Casselberry, FL · Member since 2015 · 7 posts · 0 votes
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    never jerking to ask but within reason and expect a counter offer or rejection if what you are asking is jerking. Good luck!

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Allentown, PA · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 701 votes
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    I think a lot of people are missing the point that a good agent does more than marketing. I'm like an attorney - high priced, and people think I'm worthless. How many homes have you sold? None? I've sold 800+. You're paying for my experience and my knowledge. Everyone thinks they can sell houses, and they can. If you have a hot property, hot market, and plop a sign and an ad, you'll certainly get an offer. But it's taking that offer from a piece of paper and turning it into actual cash for the seller that is the hard part. There are 100 different variables at play and weaving your way through them is where a good agent is worth their weight in gold. 

  • Real Estate Investor · Clovis, CA · Member since 2014 · 195 posts · 194 votes
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    All you need is a little competition my friend.  "I'm going to list my house for a 5% even split commission so I can walk away without having to bring money to the table.  I bought the house through you, agent, so I'm giving you the first crack at the listing on MY TERMS."  DONE!  (If there are any issues, "I have 3 referrals of incredible agents and I know at least one of them will take my listing on my terms").

  • Investor · Central Valley, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Mark Gallagher:

    I think a lot of people are missing the point that a good agent does more than marketing. I'm like an attorney - high priced, and people think I'm worthless. How many homes have you sold? None? I've sold 800+. You're paying for my experience and my knowledge. Everyone thinks they can sell houses, and they can. If you have a hot property, hot market, and plop a sign and an ad, you'll certainly get an offer. But it's taking that offer from a piece of paper and turning it into actual cash for the seller that is the hard part. There are 100 different variables at play and weaving your way through them is where a good agent is worth their weight in gold. 

    A good agent IS worth their weight in gold.  And just as hard as gold as find.  How does the average homeowner find you and know you can do what you say you can do?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Greeley, CO · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    When you think about flat fee listings you aren't saving that much and maybe losing money. 

    1. You have to pay for pics and MLS

    2. You have to pay a buyers agent

    3. You have to go through the paperwork

    4. You have to set up showings etc.

    5. You have to figure out what typical seller costs are

    6. You are not being represented and the buyer is. Who had the advantage?

    7. Finally you have to price it right. Pricing it right is the most important part. 

    Overall you may save 2 percent maybe 2.5 percent. However if you over price it or under price it you probably lose at least 3-5 percent off the top. The buyer has an agent and you don't which is a huge disadvantage. They can nail you with inspection or asking you to pay fees the buyer usually pays and you don't know any better. Appraisal issues the buyer will usually have the advantage. 

    Overall everything has to go perfect to save a few bucks and if they don't you lose money and still have to complete paperwork, showings, pictures, etc. 

  • Tujunga, CA · Member since 2015 · 88 posts · 48 votes
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    I really don't think this is good advice.   I am just wondering if anyone else would do this?  I am sure a buyers agent would LOVE this set up and why not?! 

    If you are inexperienced with paperwork and contracts DO NOT let the other party of the transaction "make up for it".  Let alone  PAYING them to do it. 

    If you don't know enough about the deal to be able to look after your best interests, then you shouldn't be doing the deal yourself.   A buyers agent will have no fiduciary duty to you and will for their buyers.  A buyers agent's JOB is to get the BEST deal for their buyer.  This is not someone you want "making up" for your lack of experience and writing up a purchase agreement, counteroffer or anything else.  

  • Lender · Ladera Ranch, CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    In the L.A./OC area 5% commission is ok. 2.5% to the buyer's agent is acceptable and the norm, any less and buyer's agents might not be very motivated to show your house to their buyers. You can find agents willing to take the listing for 3%-3.5% but I suspect the saying "you get what you pay for" applies. I wouldn't expect much out of an agent that offered to list for 3%.

    I agree with the others that said you should ask your agent first what she's willing to do given that she's getting repeat business and that the market's hot. Let her be the first to mention a number.

  • Investor · Big Lake, MN · Member since 2014 · 160 posts · 26 votes
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    I agree with the comment about the flat fee listing service. You could probably list the house yourself for $500 including photos and additional bells and whistles. If you price it correctly, it will sell quickly. Part of the reason that properties take so long to sell on the market, is that homeowners inaccurately determine property value. Spend the 500 bucks and wait for 60 days. If you don't sell it, then you can always go to a realtor. However, if you do end up selling it you have just saved a ton of money.
  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenixville, PA · Member since 2015 · 119 posts · 61 votes
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    Hey Greg- a quick thought. 

    Perhaps try spending some time locating a buyer on the side, and you may just be able to locate one on Craigslist or through another means. Now you could propose she take a cut in pay to just proctor the deal on your behalf. If you spend a little time and get a serious buyer, then you have actually reduced the amount of work and time on her part needed to sell the house. Then your request would not be seen as impertinent, but reasonable. 

    Just a thought... if someone else has done this I'd love to hear the results.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Allentown, PA · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 701 votes
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    @Account Closed

    That's a good question. It's hard for me to answer since I am in the business I know who I would hire and who I wouldn't. Your best bet would be to ask for referrals and then screen the agent. You might be able to call your local MLS and ask for a list of the top 50 agents as reported in the MLS; I think that would be "legal" for the association to give out.

    There are pros in hiring an inexperienced agent in that they will be able to devote a large amount of time to your property (provided they are an agent full time). Your listing might be their only chance for a pay check. However, getting a deal under contract is just getting to 1st base, lots of work left. That's where experience comes into play obviously. 

    Somewhat related side note.. I had a friend purchase a commercial building that was off market but the seller was represented by an agent. Rather than hire me, he used the seller's agent. Long story short, I walked through the property the day after he bought it and found numerous things, haz mat among them, that he tried to have removed but the seller's agent just blew him off. ALWAYS have someone representing your interests in a complex transaction. I would have never let that deal close with haz mat on the property at closing.

  • Investor · Stouffville, Ontario · Member since 2011 · 213 posts · 65 votes
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    You always get what you pay for... Have I reduced my commision? yes, however never below what I think my service is worth on a particular transaction. The standard is 5% here in the Toronto area. I have only reduced it slightly on special occasion. To say that many realtors will jump at 3% is crazy. 9/10 times we offer 2.5% to the buyers side. That would leave very little to the Seller's agent. How will they market a property using a limited budget? How are they working in the Seller's best interest? How are they doing themselves any credit by reducing their paycheck to just get a listing?   got me..?

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Portland, OR · Member since 2015 · 153 posts · 105 votes
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    Originally posted by @Verna M.:

    I really don't think this is good advice.   I am just wondering if anyone else would do this?  I am sure a buyers agent would LOVE this set up and why not?! 

    If you are inexperienced with paperwork and contracts DO NOT let the other party of the transaction "make up for it".  Let alone  PAYING them to do it. 

    If you don't know enough about the deal to be able to look after your best interests, then you shouldn't be doing the deal yourself.   A buyers agent will have no fiduciary duty to you and will for their buyers.  A buyers agent's JOB is to get the BEST deal for their buyer.  This is not someone you want "making up" for your lack of experience and writing up a purchase agreement, counteroffer or anything else.  

    Whoa - I just suggested that b/c someone else mentioned buyers agents won't want to work with FBSOs b/c the sellers may not know what they're doing.  Nothing wrong with offering a higher BAC as a FBSO to encourage them to work with you, I didn't mean that you'd be paying them to rep you in contracts - that would be bad advice.   

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