Flipping in upstate New york from out of state

Flipping in upstate New york from out of state

Attorney · Spring Hill, FL · Member since 2014 · 31 posts · 1 vote

Hello,

Flipping long distance----I own 5 rental properties in my home state of Florida. I've never flipped before. However, I may have an opportunity to purchase my grandmothers home in upstate New York (Niagara county).  the home is in a good school district, it is 3 bed 1 bath built in the 50s.  it is kind of odd in that it doesn't have a dining room and only has one bath.  it sits on about 1/3 of an acre not far from lake ontario (no frontage)  I think it needs about 20 k of work and could sell for between 95 and 115 after repairs which i believe (not having seen photos yet) to include new counters, maybe refinish cabinets, a new cook-top, a new exhaust hood or microwave, new flooring throughout, paint, wallpaper removal, a couple intereior doors and screen doors, lighting fixtures, bath vanity and im sure a few other things.  I think i could get for about 50k

First, is there anything i should know about new york law and flipping.  ( rules with septic tanks etc...)

second, does my 20 k estimate sound reasonable with mid grade flooring.  

i may be able to take some time and go up there to do some of the work, like the painting and wall paper removal myself.  

Thanks for the input

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  • Investor · Wasilla, AK · Member since 2016 · 277 posts · 139 votes
    10y

    I would say, first be very sure of you ARV. I lost a lot of money long distance in upstate NY, and knowing the properties market value was part of it. So, if you could get it for 50, fix for 20, and ARV is 95...That's barely spread worth working for. The problem is, there are no margins in those numbers.... what if you have to sell for 10% less than expected? What if you go over repair budget by 10%.... poof, there goes your profit.

    Repair budget?  I spent about 10k doing the interior of a tiny 1bd apartment a couple months ago, which included all new cabinets and such, so it's possible.  However, I did a lot of the work myself and/or supervised some young guys.  I also have some boys that helped carry windows, bathtubs, sweep, etc...  I also spent over 10k on flooring alone when flipping a larger house. So, assuming this is a very TINY 3bd house with a sound roof, foundation, and windows, and assuming you did all the material purchase yourself and found a great contractor that understood what you wanted perfectly, I think it could work.  I've never been involved with wall paper removal, so I don't know about that.  Since it's your mom living there right now, you should have no problem getting contractors to go through the place and give you a proper quote before moving forward.  There are variables like chimneys  and egress windows that might set you way behind for a resell.  

    And always use the conservative ARV. I hope these ideas help.

  • Attorney · Spring Hill, FL · Member since 2014 · 31 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    thank you for the reply.  It is just under 1100 Sq ft.  Zillow had it at 127k and realtor.com has it at 110k. I'd list for 115k.  I am told the roof and foundation are sound as is the detached 2 car.   Thanks again 

  • Mike CumbieBusiness Member
    REALTOR® · Brockport, NY · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    10y

    Hey @Joel F.,

    If you want to send me the address I will get you a comp off the MLS so you have an idea of what things are actually selling for. Is it one of those ones with the single one way road and one side has frontage and the other side does not? If so they very quite a bit. Niagara county is a bit away from me but I do have access to the data from there so I can't be boots on the ground, but I can give you a birds eye.

  • Attorney · Spring Hill, FL · Member since 2014 · 31 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    sent message 

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