Cash out refi Decision points

Cash out refi Decision points

Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2016 · 145 posts · 61 votes

Hello,

I read these forums from time to time and have found them to be very helpful. I wanted to pose the following scenario to see if anyone has any thoughts, as I am always interested in hearing multiple angles. My wife and I just finished paying off the mortgages on our 4 rental properties in San Antonio. Total equity is roughly $500k-$550k. We are ready for the next step in our investment path, but this is where I am stuck. I do consider my decision point to be a good problem to have, but just looking to bounce some things around.

Option #1: take out a 75% LTV cash out refi and take the money and buy 4 rental properties each. Then take the 4 new properties and do 4 more cash outs and keep repeating this until there is not enough money to buy any more while properties with borrowed cash from cash out refis.

Option#2: take out a 75% LTV cash out refi and take the money and buy as many properties as possible with 25% down. Would be about 10 properties with $40k down on $160k properties. I have a lender who will do as many loans as I need at 75% LTV. Each one would cash flow $350 month.

Essentially, there is little variance between monthly cash flow for option #1 and Option #2, but would it just be more advantageous to do option #2 due to leverage considerations because there would be more properties involved? I'm not doing any major rehabs. I can handle some rehab, but mostly only minor cosmetic versus some major overhaul although I only mention that as an aside, as it is not really important for my decision I don't think.

Please let me know what you think. If you want to throw out other options, then this is what I am here for, too. 

Many thanks!!!!

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Upen PatelPro Member
Lender · Nationwide Lender · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 814 votes
9y

@Travis C. You can do option #1 and get your cash out without any seasoning using Delayed Financing. It would be nuts to pay the private money rate. If you buy with cash (which you can), then within the first 6-months you can do a Delayed Financing which will allow you to take out the lower of the purchase price or the allowable purchase LTV (which depends on the type of property). You get a 30 yr fixed confirming loan. If you and your wife work, then you can each get up to 10 conventional loans (1-4 units), including your primary residence.

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  • Real Estate Broker · Westminster, MD · Member since 2017 · 159 posts · 101 votes
    8y

    What are your goals? What horizon are looking at in terms of timeline to reach your goals? One option puts you into more properties and at maximum leverage. One option is more conservative. Your timeline probably answers your question. 

  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2016 · 145 posts · 61 votes
    8y
    Since I posted this abiht a year ago, I've doubled my rental holdings here in San Antonio through a combination of #1 and #2. It has just depended on the characteristics of each deal. We are still moving forward and am under contract for our next one. Woot woot.
  • Specialist · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2018 · 155 posts · 76 votes
    8y

    Travis, 

    Great to see a local investor succeeding in our market! Are you only into rentals or do you flips as well? What is your favorite way to generate leads on good deals? Obviously whatever you are doing is working!

  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2016 · 145 posts · 61 votes
    8y
    @Brandon Miller , I buy and hold on the far northwest side primarily. Got my originals during the depth of the foreclosure crisis and now most of them have appreciated i to a double. Cashed out. Bought more. Just paid off my primary residence and plan to cash out and cascade those mo monies to more properties, too. I have two good agents that I work with. Historically, I try to buy REOs from the MLS from the Veteran's Administration, Chase Bank, etc. Really not into big rehab messes, but cosmetic fixing up is fine. Has worked out well over the past few years and I'd like to buy 6 more in the next year or so which will give me 13 properties. Thanks.
  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2016 · 145 posts · 61 votes
    6y

    I got sidetracked from my options above which really were more focused on conventional mortgage analyses. I've been buying VA foreclosures through the VA Vendee program recently which are cash flow positive in my market with 5% down 30 year notes at 3.75%.

    Going well and I'm up to 14 properties now.

  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2016 · 145 posts · 61 votes
    6y

    Up to 16 properties and $1MM in equity. Trying to pull cash out right now but hard to find anybody willing to do 75LTV cash out 30 yr notes with the secondary market COVID-19 frozen.

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