HELOC to Flip to Buy and Hold

HELOC to Flip to Buy and Hold

Investor · Elk Grove Village, IL · Member since 2016 · 23 posts · 10 votes

I am finally getting over my analysis paralysis and ready to start my journey. Ultimately, my goal is to build up a portfolio of buy and holds to generate enough cash flow to live on but as long as I’m working, I don’t need any cash flow right now. I wanted to get people’s opinion on my strategy on how I am planning on doing it.

I am in the process of getting a HELOC on my primary residence. My plan is to use that money to purchase a fix and flip for "cash". Initially, I will only look at properties where the HELOC is enough to cover 100% of the purchase, repair, holding costs, etc. Once that is property is finished and sold, I plan on paying off the HELOC, saving 100% of the profit on that sale and repeating the process until I have enough saved to purchase a buy and hold rental property. My hope is to keep that process going (HELOC for flips, profits for buy and holds) until I have enough rentals cash flowing to replace my current income. At some point depending on how things go, I may slow down on purchasing the rentals so I can build up enough profit from my flips to support 2 or 3 flips running at the same time to get to my goal quicker. I am going to start off slow (maybe flipping 1-3 properties a year) until I get my feet wet but may increase that as I get more comfortable.

Does that sound like a realistic way to go?

Another question; since the money I plan on using to purchase the rental properties isn't technically out of my pocket but from the profit of the flips, how would that payment work toward the ROI/CoC/CapEx/IRR etc.? Would it be considered costing me zero of my own money or would I count that money as my investment portion into that property?

Thanks all!

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Clayton PlankPro Member
Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2012 · 122 posts · 46 votes
9y

@Steve Cady, that is a great idea. I did this with just buy and hold properties. I would use the HELCO to purchase a buy and hold that needed work. I would do the work and get it fixed up and then get it rented. After 6 months to a year I would refinance it and draw my HELOC money out and then start the process over. I just didn't have the time to manage fix and flips at the time. Your idea is great as you could pay cash for your rentals and them not be mortgaged like mine.

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  • Clayton PlankPro Member
    Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2012 · 122 posts · 46 votes
    9y

    @Steve Cady, that is a great idea. I did this with just buy and hold properties. I would use the HELCO to purchase a buy and hold that needed work. I would do the work and get it fixed up and then get it rented. After 6 months to a year I would refinance it and draw my HELOC money out and then start the process over. I just didn't have the time to manage fix and flips at the time. Your idea is great as you could pay cash for your rentals and them not be mortgaged like mine.

  • Investor · Elk Grove Village, IL · Member since 2016 · 23 posts · 10 votes
    9y

    Thanks Clayton!  Glad to know I'm on the right track.

  • James MasottiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Washington Township, NJ · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 976 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Steve Cady:

    I am finally getting over my analysis paralysis and ready to start my journey. Ultimately, my goal is to build up a portfolio of buy and holds to generate enough cash flow to live on but as long as I’m working, I don’t need any cash flow right now. I wanted to get people’s opinion on my strategy on how I am planning on doing it.

    I am in the process of getting a HELOC on my primary residence. My plan is to use that money to purchase a fix and flip for "cash". Initially, I will only look at properties where the HELOC is enough to cover 100% of the purchase, repair, holding costs, etc. Once that is property is finished and sold, I plan on paying off the HELOC, saving 100% of the profit on that sale and repeating the process until I have enough saved to purchase a buy and hold rental property. My hope is to keep that process going (HELOC for flips, profits for buy and holds) until I have enough rentals cash flowing to replace my current income. At some point depending on how things go, I may slow down on purchasing the rentals so I can build up enough profit from my flips to support 2 or 3 flips running at the same time to get to my goal quicker. I am going to start off slow (maybe flipping 1-3 properties a year) until I get my feet wet but may increase that as I get more comfortable.

    Does that sound like a realistic way to go?

    Another question; since the money I plan on using to purchase the rental properties isn't technically out of my pocket but from the profit of the flips, how would that payment work toward the ROI/CoC/CapEx/IRR etc.? Would it be considered costing me zero of my own money or would I count that money as my investment portion into that property?

    Thanks all!

     Definitely a very solid strategy. 

    To your second question I'm not an attorney or CPA so these are just my opinions and you should talk with a professional.

    it's going to largely depend in the legal structures you have. If you do all of this under your personal name...then it doesn't matter it's all considered taxable income. If you have it under and LLC and file a separate corporate tax return you report things a bit differently. Then if you set up multiple LLC's say...one for flipping and one for rentals then there is yet another way this can work. Talk it over with an accountant and attorney once you start down that path. Many people (including myself) tried to figure all this out before getting started. It's definitely good to ask the questions but so much changes from your planning stages to when you actually start doing deals that I've come to have the stance of, educate yourself yes, but take action first then as you figure out what you "really" want to do then you set up the legal structures to support that. Starting out you may not have the most optimal tax sheltering or liability coverage...but those can be fixed later down the road.

  • Real Estate Agent · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 1 post · 0 votes
    9y

    The profit from the flips goes into your pocket before leaving your pocket again for the buy and holds; therefore, it would be your money invested into the property.  

    Also, I would use the power of leverage when you can as it is one of the things that makes real estate a great investment vehicle for building wealth.

  • Investor · Orlando, FL · Member since 2017 · 80 posts · 39 votes
    9y

    @Steve Cady this was my thinking exactly. 

    Just be careful which HELOC you choose. While doing my research for HELOC I came across PNC they offer 2 versions under HELOC

    https://www.pnc.com/en/personal-banking/borrowing/...

    HELOC Loan (one time loan, payments start immediate, must start process again if you need another & HELOC Line of Credit (10yr draw period, followed by 30yr payment period) some HELOC only allow you to draw a certain number of times

    Just make sure you do your due diligence and not all HELOCs are the same

    @James Masotti Thank you for the different LLCs option to ask my CPA. I was trying to figure out if I wanted 1 for everything. Read another article/post that mentioned setting up multiple LLCs to cover different types of Partnerships too.

  • James MasottiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Washington Township, NJ · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 976 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Jeremy P.:

    @Steve Cady this was my thinking exactly. 

    Just be careful which HELOC you choose. While doing my research for HELOC I came across PNC they offer 2 versions under HELOC

    https://www.pnc.com/en/personal-banking/borrowing/...

    HELOC Loan (one time loan, payments start immediate, must start process again if you need another & HELOC Line of Credit (10yr draw period, followed by 30yr payment period) some HELOC only allow you to draw a certain number of times

    Just make sure you do your due diligence and not all HELOCs are the same

    @James Masotti Thank you for the different LLCs option to ask my CPA. I was trying to figure out if I wanted 1 for everything. Read another article/post that mentioned setting up multiple LLCs to cover different types of Partnerships too.

    Just remember when you set up LLCs you need to file annual returns whether you use them or not. So don't just go creating companies for the fun of it since that will cost you money. Unless you're getting into a more complicated partnership structure most attorneys have a boiler plate operating agreement and can set up an LLC within 24 hours. So when you get to the point where you want to pull the trigger and know exactly what you want to do, you can make the decision at that point and get things moving along.

  • Investor · Elk Grove Village, IL · Member since 2016 · 23 posts · 10 votes
    9y

    Thanks everyone!

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