Newbie With a Potential Seller-Financed Deal

Newbie With a Potential Seller-Financed Deal

Billings, MT · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 0 votes

I'm a new investor, am 25, and and am stationed in Washington state for the military.  I want to invest in BIllings, Montana where I was born and raised and plan to live long-term. In anticipation of taking leave in Billings starting next week, I found a "for sale by owner" listing on Zillow and just got off the phone with the seller.  The property is two 2/1 listed for 185,500.  She admits to renting them under market.  One unit is rented for $625 and the other unit just became vacant.  She anticipates they'd easily rent for $750-$800.  I will see the property in person next week and realize that before and following my seeing it, I have a lot of due diligence to do in terms of price, cash flow, etc.  

My chief question right now is in regards to her telling me on the phone that she would prefer to do seller financing to avoid capital gains tax.  Her and her husband are in their 70s, have owned the property for 25 years, and are looking to simplify their lives.  Seller financing sounds like a great option to me as I will not be able to occupy the property in the near term, do not have a full 20% down payment, and do not yet have the track record to secure private or hard money lenders.

In the case that the other aspects (price, terms, property condition, etc.) fall into place, I am curious concerning how I'd move forward with seller financing.  My only other home purchase is a rental property I am 50% on with my brother and his wife.  They did all of the legwork when purchasing as I was not in town for the process.  I am not intimately familiar with the process of buying a house, particularly when a bank is not involved.  Do I need to get a realtor involved to assist me in the process?  What about an attorney for the buy-sell contract? I realize that all of this stuff CAN be done on my own, however, I feel that I am not quite there on the education/knowledge side of things and don't want to start off on the wrong foot.  I have about $15,000 outside of my emergency fund that I feel comfortable putting towards a deal.  I obviously don't want to throw money away but am also aware that professional help can be an extremely good investment.

As an added question, I am wondering if anyone has tips or strategies concerning negotiating in a case like this.  From my extremely basic and preliminary calculations thus far, the property would struggle to cash flow at the current price.  I hear a lot on the podcast that sales in this case are often either "your price, my terms" or "my price, your terms".  I understand I need to talk to the seller more when I see her to learn what she means by "wanting to simplify".  I'm guessing this will help inform what kind of offer I make and am curious of any tips that may help me negotiation a lower price for me and more favorable terms for her.

This is my first forum post so I apologize if it's not as concise as it ought to be or if it lacks necessary information.  Regardless, I'd really appreciate any input.  Thanks!

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Billings, MT · Member since 2015 · 16 posts · 15 votes
9y

Hey Jacob. I'm a Realtor in Billings and am currently working with another person I met through a Bigger Pockets connection. I think you must be talking about the one on Ave. C. It's definitely over priced. I'm familiar with it and live in the area. Personally I think it would be a good long term investment even if the ROI isn't really high. Not a ton of places are high ROI's, here in town. I think a lot of equity could be gained if you were willing to put a little work into the place. especially if you can do some of it yourself. Be careful though. There are a bunch of brand new high-end studios through 3 bedroom apartments by a developer out of Seattle that are coming into the market soon over by the Lucky's store (just a few blocks away from where this place is). We haven't quite seen the full effect of how that will impact rentals of SFR's or multi-units in that area yet. Contract for Deed is a great way to go but, I agree with previous posts that the sellers probably don't want a long term one. Definitely get with a really good local lender if the seller financing doesn't work out.....there are some that have a little more leeway on $ down, etc that might get you in to a property initially, that others won't. You don't need a Realtor or lawyer but being that you are young and just starting out, I would definitely try and find a mentor, or someone you trust that can help walk with you through the process. Cheers and good luck!

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  • Investor · Manvel, TX · Member since 2016 · 133 posts · 54 votes
    9y

    @Jacob Pancheau

    Don't wait until the meeting / viewing to run your preliminary numbers for income vs expenses to see what your real cash flow looks like.  On a 30 year 5% loan your monthly payment would be around $1,000.00.  If they are 70 years old like you said they may want a shorter term. 

    I go into negotiations knowing what I am willing to pay based upon my expected rate of return.  My offer is what I am willing to pay to insure positive cash flow, not what they want.

    You haven't provided much data regarding expenses but I am guessing it will have modest cash flow at best.

    Also, do a check of other rentals in the area.  I have a hard time believing that rent can be raised by 20 - 30%.  Nobody purposely rents under market by that much unless they are having an issue with vacancy.  At $625.00, the already have one of the two units empty.

  • Investor · Columbus, GA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    Seller financing is a great way to get started, but I don't see any money in this for you. Based on the current rent with both units filled you are looking at a 8% ROI on the Gross Rent with zero expenses, repairs, if you paid cash for the deal. What do you consider a good return on your money? If you can put nothing down and give them 100% of the rent @$625 per unit you would come up short on a 10 year financing deal with zero interest. I doubt they will carry the note for 20 years. I think it is way over priced and doubt it would appraise for what they are asking.

  • Billings, MT · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    @Anthony Dooley and @Jay Dean, thanks so much for your help!  I definitely hadn't thought through the implications of their age on how long the terms of financing would be.  In this light, it looks like a far less viable deal and I appreciate your replies!

  • Billings, MT · Member since 2015 · 16 posts · 15 votes
    9y

    Hey Jacob. I'm a Realtor in Billings and am currently working with another person I met through a Bigger Pockets connection. I think you must be talking about the one on Ave. C. It's definitely over priced. I'm familiar with it and live in the area. Personally I think it would be a good long term investment even if the ROI isn't really high. Not a ton of places are high ROI's, here in town. I think a lot of equity could be gained if you were willing to put a little work into the place. especially if you can do some of it yourself. Be careful though. There are a bunch of brand new high-end studios through 3 bedroom apartments by a developer out of Seattle that are coming into the market soon over by the Lucky's store (just a few blocks away from where this place is). We haven't quite seen the full effect of how that will impact rentals of SFR's or multi-units in that area yet. Contract for Deed is a great way to go but, I agree with previous posts that the sellers probably don't want a long term one. Definitely get with a really good local lender if the seller financing doesn't work out.....there are some that have a little more leeway on $ down, etc that might get you in to a property initially, that others won't. You don't need a Realtor or lawyer but being that you are young and just starting out, I would definitely try and find a mentor, or someone you trust that can help walk with you through the process. Cheers and good luck!

  • Investor · Columbus, MT · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Jacob Pancheau

    I am from the billings area and in my opinion, with lots of hard work, you can do much better than this. Always drives me nuts when sellers "know" it can rent for more and sell it accordingly. But don't want to put the work in to make it that way. These folks do not sound like motivated sellers.

    They actually are close on the fact that the rents are under valued, but the condition of the property might cause issues with that. 

    If I was you I would keep looking. Are you in town next Thursday evening? We are haveing our billings Realestate investors meet-up.  I would love to chat with you more about this stuff. Let me know if you do. 

  • Billings, MT · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    @Mike Ormsby thanks much for your input.  From what I can see of the average rent prices in town, it really does seem like margins can be pretty tight in general if you're not careful.  It also seems like Billings is getting more and more interest and influence from outside developers.

    @Joshua D. I got to BIllings late last night/early this morning.  I'll be in town this Thursday and will plan on coming.  Thanks for the invite; I'll message you for the details!

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