High Desert Land and subdivision map act in the West

High Desert Land and subdivision map act in the West

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Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes

@James Wise  Per your request.

Coming out of the late 1800s most of the major west coast cities that we know and love like LA  SF  PDX SEATAC were all subdivided by the same engineering firms  at least SF and Portlandia were.. 

this led to land speculators in the day going out into the Western deserts and other remote areas.. buying what were large land holdings , Spanish land grants and other lands that were not govmit owned.. 

then in the day you could simply create massive subdivisions buy doing basic surveys off of the base and meridian lines.. which all of the west is surveyed off of... this is called section land.

then create these massive tracks of lots.. some were like up in the apple valley, Lancaster,  Barstow type areas mainly 5 acre tracts.. and were done on a grid pattern.. streets in ( mapped but not built)  and of course spiraled out of a small little town off the railroad track or the few roads that existed in those days.. you took your map and recorded it at the county, county was happy they just got 5 thousand lots they could send out tax bills on.. Lots were then sold by speculators to dreamers and others.. And during the depression they used these deeds to these lots to induce people to pay to go to the movies.

In the northern CA and southern Oregon area they created more in town type lots  Clear lake being a famous one.. about 100,000 lots were created there from 1915 to 1930... Christmas VAlley in S Oregon.  the Clear lake lots were in towns called Nice Lucerne Clearlake Oaks and Clearlake. you can find them on maps today.. and you will see roads going up into the hills above town that are just dirt or not even present just mapped.. Christmas valley is one acre or larger tracts.. 

also were your seeing the Hawaii eruptions those are all antiquated massive subdivisions built on a grid on the lava flows. those lots have been traded for ever as well although created the late 50s.. 

Florida has Lehigh Acres and Coral Gables and other famous areas.

The subdivision map act was created to bring organization and control to these massive development that never got built and were just platted.. anything on the west that is 5 lot split or more is subject to the map act..  and then each state or county drills down further. 

In Montana NV NM Texas a lot of these older tracts were done in 20 30 40 acre massive subdivisions out in the middles of no where.. 

Simply watch the Movie Glenn Gary Glenn Ross that is EXACTLY how this stuff was remarket in the 50s and 60s.. 

So todays folks that do it do it mainly on line .. and many foreigners will pay 2 to 5k to won a piece of the US not knowing what they bought was basically worthless.. many cattle ranchers just use this land like its there own.. Moon valley up out of Reno on the CA side of 395 is a classic example of that.. 

Lastly what you will see is that civilization has come out to these places when you drive by and see some desert rat in his or her Mobile home stuck in the middle of no where that 95% of the time is on one of these old platted lots.. 

some areas Like some of the Lake co California areas town actually grew to them sewer and water and paved streets put in and houses built

But for instance above Lucerne there are 7 thousand platted lots and I think 3 homes.. lots are 5 to 7k sq feet.. it was uncanny how they surveyed and platted them way back when .. this terrain is quite step but the road follow correct grades although some lots even with today techniques would be near impossible to build on.. 

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  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    @James Wise  Per your request.

    Coming out of the late 1800s most of the major west coast cities that we know and love like LA  SF  PDX SEATAC were all subdivided by the same engineering firms  at least SF and Portlandia were.. 

    this led to land speculators in the day going out into the Western deserts and other remote areas.. buying what were large land holdings , Spanish land grants and other lands that were not govmit owned.. 

    then in the day you could simply create massive subdivisions buy doing basic surveys off of the base and meridian lines.. which all of the west is surveyed off of... this is called section land.

    then create these massive tracks of lots.. some were like up in the apple valley, Lancaster,  Barstow type areas mainly 5 acre tracts.. and were done on a grid pattern.. streets in ( mapped but not built)  and of course spiraled out of a small little town off the railroad track or the few roads that existed in those days.. you took your map and recorded it at the county, county was happy they just got 5 thousand lots they could send out tax bills on.. Lots were then sold by speculators to dreamers and others.. And during the depression they used these deeds to these lots to induce people to pay to go to the movies.

    In the northern CA and southern Oregon area they created more in town type lots  Clear lake being a famous one.. about 100,000 lots were created there from 1915 to 1930... Christmas VAlley in S Oregon.  the Clear lake lots were in towns called Nice Lucerne Clearlake Oaks and Clearlake. you can find them on maps today.. and you will see roads going up into the hills above town that are just dirt or not even present just mapped.. Christmas valley is one acre or larger tracts.. 

    also were your seeing the Hawaii eruptions those are all antiquated massive subdivisions built on a grid on the lava flows. those lots have been traded for ever as well although created the late 50s.. 

    Florida has Lehigh Acres and Coral Gables and other famous areas.

    The subdivision map act was created to bring organization and control to these massive development that never got built and were just platted.. anything on the west that is 5 lot split or more is subject to the map act..  and then each state or county drills down further. 

    In Montana NV NM Texas a lot of these older tracts were done in 20 30 40 acre massive subdivisions out in the middles of no where.. 

    Simply watch the Movie Glenn Gary Glenn Ross that is EXACTLY how this stuff was remarket in the 50s and 60s.. 

    So todays folks that do it do it mainly on line .. and many foreigners will pay 2 to 5k to won a piece of the US not knowing what they bought was basically worthless.. many cattle ranchers just use this land like its there own.. Moon valley up out of Reno on the CA side of 395 is a classic example of that.. 

    Lastly what you will see is that civilization has come out to these places when you drive by and see some desert rat in his or her Mobile home stuck in the middle of no where that 95% of the time is on one of these old platted lots.. 

    some areas Like some of the Lake co California areas town actually grew to them sewer and water and paved streets put in and houses built

    But for instance above Lucerne there are 7 thousand platted lots and I think 3 homes.. lots are 5 to 7k sq feet.. it was uncanny how they surveyed and platted them way back when .. this terrain is quite step but the road follow correct grades although some lots even with today techniques would be near impossible to build on.. 

     What makes the land so worthless & unbuildible?

    Is it that there is so much owned by so many that nobody can buy a large enough amount to profitably build something? 

    Or do we just not have enough population to fill it up? Is it so far away from other cities you'd essentially need to build a whole new city?

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    8y

    Side note.

    I agree that it takes brass balls to sell real estate.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @James Wise:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    @James Wise  Per your request.

    Coming out of the late 1800s most of the major west coast cities that we know and love like LA  SF  PDX SEATAC were all subdivided by the same engineering firms  at least SF and Portlandia were.. 

    this led to land speculators in the day going out into the Western deserts and other remote areas.. buying what were large land holdings , Spanish land grants and other lands that were not govmit owned.. 

    then in the day you could simply create massive subdivisions buy doing basic surveys off of the base and meridian lines.. which all of the west is surveyed off of... this is called section land.

    then create these massive tracks of lots.. some were like up in the apple valley, Lancaster,  Barstow type areas mainly 5 acre tracts.. and were done on a grid pattern.. streets in ( mapped but not built)  and of course spiraled out of a small little town off the railroad track or the few roads that existed in those days.. you took your map and recorded it at the county, county was happy they just got 5 thousand lots they could send out tax bills on.. Lots were then sold by speculators to dreamers and others.. And during the depression they used these deeds to these lots to induce people to pay to go to the movies.

    In the northern CA and southern Oregon area they created more in town type lots  Clear lake being a famous one.. about 100,000 lots were created there from 1915 to 1930... Christmas VAlley in S Oregon.  the Clear lake lots were in towns called Nice Lucerne Clearlake Oaks and Clearlake. you can find them on maps today.. and you will see roads going up into the hills above town that are just dirt or not even present just mapped.. Christmas valley is one acre or larger tracts.. 

    also were your seeing the Hawaii eruptions those are all antiquated massive subdivisions built on a grid on the lava flows. those lots have been traded for ever as well although created the late 50s.. 

    Florida has Lehigh Acres and Coral Gables and other famous areas.

    The subdivision map act was created to bring organization and control to these massive development that never got built and were just platted.. anything on the west that is 5 lot split or more is subject to the map act..  and then each state or county drills down further. 

    In Montana NV NM Texas a lot of these older tracts were done in 20 30 40 acre massive subdivisions out in the middles of no where.. 

    Simply watch the Movie Glenn Gary Glenn Ross that is EXACTLY how this stuff was remarket in the 50s and 60s.. 

    So todays folks that do it do it mainly on line .. and many foreigners will pay 2 to 5k to won a piece of the US not knowing what they bought was basically worthless.. many cattle ranchers just use this land like its there own.. Moon valley up out of Reno on the CA side of 395 is a classic example of that.. 

    Lastly what you will see is that civilization has come out to these places when you drive by and see some desert rat in his or her Mobile home stuck in the middle of no where that 95% of the time is on one of these old platted lots.. 

    some areas Like some of the Lake co California areas town actually grew to them sewer and water and paved streets put in and houses built

    But for instance above Lucerne there are 7 thousand platted lots and I think 3 homes.. lots are 5 to 7k sq feet.. it was uncanny how they surveyed and platted them way back when .. this terrain is quite step but the road follow correct grades although some lots even with today techniques would be near impossible to build on.. 

     What makes the land so worthless & unbuildible?

    Is it that there is so much owned by so many that nobody can buy a large enough amount to profitably build something? 

    Or do we just not have enough population to fill it up? Is it so far away from other cities you'd essentially need to build a whole new city?

    JIm you have obviously note been out to the high deserts of the west.. towns are 50 to 100 miles apart or farther in many instances..

    there are only dirt roads if any roads.. and there is no utls.. wells can be 1000 feet deep or deeper and well who wants to live in the middle of no where .. nearest shopping could be 30 to minutes to an hour or more.. etc etc.  but the speculators of the day especially in the high desert out of LA always sold it that it would be the Next LA  well they been saying that for 100 years..

    although Palmdale Lancaster has grown to be 50k populations maybe more and people drive into LA to work.. and Edwards airbase is there and it ebbs and flows with govmit jobs.. but most of the other areas are all what we call recreational lands  surrounded by nothing and or border vast tracts of BLM  and State lands and federal lands  be them state parks or federal parks.. just google it.. you will see.

    one needs to understand in your area lands were divided and lived on starting in the 1600s or earlier in some cases and well established in the 1700 and 1800s  these areas in those areas were still lands of Mexico in some instances and or Spanish land grants.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @James Wise:

    Side note.

    I agree that it takes brass balls to sell real estate.

    And there I was 10 years old sitting with my dad in those exact meetings instead  Al Pacino and Jack Lemmon.. It was sales men of the day.. it rubbed off and by the time I was 18 and had my license I was a CLOSER  LOL that's why I did so well out of the gate in transactional real estate I could CLOSE with the best of them.. Just sayin ..

    this is why on these wholesaler threads where these folks who have zero sales skills and spend 30 k thinking that is going to do it.. I think good luck... the ones that might have sold things in the past or a good car sales men would make a good wholesaler.

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @James Wise:

    Side note.

    I agree that it takes brass balls to sell real estate.

    And there I was 10 years old sitting with my dad in those exact meetings instead  Al Pacino and Jack Lemmon.. It was sales men of the day.. it rubbed off and by the time I was 18 and had my license I was a CLOSER  LOL that's why I did so well out of the gate in transactional real estate I could CLOSE with the best of them.. Just sayin ..

    this is why on these wholesaler threads where these folks who have zero sales skills and spend 30 k thinking that is going to do it.. I think good luck... the ones that might have sold things in the past or a good car sales men would make a good wholesaler.

     Anyone trying to be a wholesaler is destined for failure, even the ones who have some sales chops. The fact that someone is able to look at two paths (Wholesaling & Real Estate Brokering) and is not smart enough to see which one has more income generating opportunity tells me that they aren't sophisticated critical thinkers. You've got to be a critical thinker to get anywhere in this business.

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