Is buying a home inside of a TSP (thrift savings plan) possible?

Is buying a home inside of a TSP (thrift savings plan) possible?

Buford, GA · Member since 2017 · 50 posts · 13 votes
I have been talking with my mother who has been working civil service for the government for over 20 years. On one of the podcasts I remember hearing how u could buy properties in a self directed IRA and was wondering if anyone had any experience doing so in a TSP (thrift savings plan) as this is her savings vehicle for her employment. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you
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Rental Property Investor · Omaha, NE · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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Originally posted by @Darius Tracy:
I have been talking with my mother who has been working civil service for the government for over 20 years. On one of the podcasts I remember hearing how u could buy properties in a self directed IRA and was wondering if anyone had any experience doing so in a TSP (thrift savings plan) as this is her savings vehicle for her employment. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you

As far as I know it is not possible to buy real estate within the TSP. You also are very limited in the investments you can make, which are solely the funds that they offer (C, G, F, I, S, and lifecycle). However, I have used TSP loans on three occasions to purchase real estate. Twice using a general purpose loan and once a residential loan. You will not own these properties within your TSP, but it can give you the seed money for a down payment.

Keep in mind that a general purpose loan must be repaid in a maximum of 5 years, so if you borrow the maximum $50,000, you will be paying quite a bit per month on that loan. The good news is that you are simply repaying yourself. In my situation since I am repaying over $400 every 2 weeks on my TSP loan, I dropped my bi-weekly contribution down to 5% (the minimum if you want 100% of the employer match). When the loan is paid off I will resume maxing out my contributions ($19,000 per year for 2019).

Now the awesome thing is using the TSP residential loan. I have used this one time. Let me tell you how it worked. I bought a 4 unit property in Tucson, AZ for $152,000 using an FHA loan and 3.5% down payment. I was going to live in one unit and rent the other three out, otherwise known as house hacking. A few months prior I had bought my first investment property, another 4-plex, and I used most of my money on that deal, so I used the TSP residential loan for the down payment on this deal.

The down payment was $5320, I wrapped some of the closing costs into the loan, so I only had to come up with $6000. I used the TSP residential loan, which allowed me to repay that loan over 15 years at around 2% interest. This made the loan payments very low. I lived there for a year and then moved out and rented the unit where I used to live. I basically bought that property with no money out of pocket. Oh and it cash flowed very well. I lived for free while there, plus I still made a few hundred every month.

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  • Anthony GaydenPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Omaha, NE · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Darius Tracy:
    I have been talking with my mother who has been working civil service for the government for over 20 years. On one of the podcasts I remember hearing how u could buy properties in a self directed IRA and was wondering if anyone had any experience doing so in a TSP (thrift savings plan) as this is her savings vehicle for her employment. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you

    As far as I know it is not possible to buy real estate within the TSP. You also are very limited in the investments you can make, which are solely the funds that they offer (C, G, F, I, S, and lifecycle). However, I have used TSP loans on three occasions to purchase real estate. Twice using a general purpose loan and once a residential loan. You will not own these properties within your TSP, but it can give you the seed money for a down payment.

    Keep in mind that a general purpose loan must be repaid in a maximum of 5 years, so if you borrow the maximum $50,000, you will be paying quite a bit per month on that loan. The good news is that you are simply repaying yourself. In my situation since I am repaying over $400 every 2 weeks on my TSP loan, I dropped my bi-weekly contribution down to 5% (the minimum if you want 100% of the employer match). When the loan is paid off I will resume maxing out my contributions ($19,000 per year for 2019).

    Now the awesome thing is using the TSP residential loan. I have used this one time. Let me tell you how it worked. I bought a 4 unit property in Tucson, AZ for $152,000 using an FHA loan and 3.5% down payment. I was going to live in one unit and rent the other three out, otherwise known as house hacking. A few months prior I had bought my first investment property, another 4-plex, and I used most of my money on that deal, so I used the TSP residential loan for the down payment on this deal.

    The down payment was $5320, I wrapped some of the closing costs into the loan, so I only had to come up with $6000. I used the TSP residential loan, which allowed me to repay that loan over 15 years at around 2% interest. This made the loan payments very low. I lived there for a year and then moved out and rented the unit where I used to live. I basically bought that property with no money out of pocket. Oh and it cash flowed very well. I lived for free while there, plus I still made a few hundred every month.

  • Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    @Darius Tracy Short answer: No, you can't buy property with a TSP.

    You can only buy homes inside of a Self Directed retirement account, which TSP is not.

    Also buying property inside of retirement account eliminates any tax savings (depreciation mainly, but others) you normally benefit from. That is why, in addition to a few others, not a lot of people hold property in their retirement accounts, but rather they buy mortgages.

  • Solo 401k Expert · Anaheim Hills, CA · Member since 2012 · 18k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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    @Darius Tracy

    Plan Administrator of the TSP has list of investment options available for that plan, and it is always confined to the stock market, they would not allow alternative investment options such as real estate. It can be however rolled over into self-directed IRA and then can be invested in real estate, trust deeds, etc.

  • Buford, GA · Member since 2017 · 50 posts · 13 votes
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    @Anthony Gayden thank you so much for the information. I will definitely pass on the various options to her and let her know she can do it if she is creative.
  • Buford, GA · Member since 2017 · 50 posts · 13 votes
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    @Bill F. Thank you for the response it is definitely appreciated.
  • Buford, GA · Member since 2017 · 50 posts · 13 votes
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    @Dmitriy Fomichenko the possibility of of rolling it over into a self directed IRA would definitely be desirable for her. Thank you for your time and response.
  • Real Estate Agent · Surf City, NC · Member since 2017 · 648 posts · 597 votes
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    @Darius Tracy 

    @Anthony Gayden gave a great summary of the TSP loan but I wanted to just echo and reinforce his statements. I too used my TSP loan to fund a down payment for a rental property and it was a very easy and low cost process. You simply have to fill out a form, pay a 50$ one time charge and the money will be in your account within a few days. You are also able to set the terms of the payback and the money is automatically taken out of your paycheck. If I was staying in the military longer, I would definitely make use of this loan as many times as possible.

  • Buford, GA · Member since 2017 · 50 posts · 13 votes
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    @Sean M. Thank you for your time I have notified my mother of the various options and to my excitement she is in the process of doing this exact strategy as we speak. Thank you once again.
  • Rental Property Investor · Central, FL · Member since 2016 · 950 posts · 821 votes
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    Originally posted by @Darius Tracy:
    @Dmitriy Fomichenko the possibility of of rolling it over into a self directed IRA would definitely be desirable for her. Thank you for your time and response.

    Typically the ability to roll your TSP into a self directed IRA would only be after she stopped working as a civil servant.

  • Rental Property Investor · Central, FL · Member since 2016 · 950 posts · 821 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Anthony Gayden:
    Originally posted by @Darius Tracy:
    I have been talking with my mother who has been working civil service for the government for over 20 years. On one of the podcasts I remember hearing how u could buy properties in a self directed IRA and was wondering if anyone had any experience doing so in a TSP (thrift savings plan) as this is her savings vehicle for her employment. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you

    As far as I know it is not possible to buy real estate within the TSP. You also are very limited in the investments you can make, which are solely the funds that they offer (C, G, F, I, S, and lifecycle). However, I have used TSP loans on three occasions to purchase real estate. Twice using a general purpose loan and once a residential loan. You will not own these properties within your TSP, but it can give you the seed money for a down payment.

    Keep in mind that a general purpose loan must be repaid in a maximum of 5 years, so if you borrow the maximum $50,000, you will be paying quite a bit per month on that loan. The good news is that you are simply repaying yourself. In my situation since I am repaying over $400 every 2 weeks on my TSP loan, I dropped my bi-weekly contribution down to 5% (the minimum if you want 100% of the employer match). When the loan is paid off I will resume maxing out my contributions ($19,000 per year for 2019).

    Now the awesome thing is using the TSP residential loan. I have used this one time. Let me tell you how it worked. I bought a 4 unit property in Tucson, AZ for $152,000 using an FHA loan and 3.5% down payment. I was going to live in one unit and rent the other three out, otherwise known as house hacking. A few months prior I had bought my first investment property, another 4-plex, and I used most of my money on that deal, so I used the TSP residential loan for the down payment on this deal.

    The down payment was $5320, I wrapped some of the closing costs into the loan, so I only had to come up with $6000. I used the TSP residential loan, which allowed me to repay that loan over 15 years at around 2% interest. This made the loan payments very low. I lived there for a year and then moved out and rented the unit where I used to live. I basically bought that property with no money out of pocket. Oh and it cash flowed very well. I lived for free while there, plus I still made a few hundred every month.

    This was probably the best example of how to maximize your TSP while on active duty or in the civil service. Now I'm wishing I had done this while I was in.

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