Single parent - Should I buy this duplex and live in half?

Single parent - Should I buy this duplex and live in half?

Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes

Hi everyone! I am totally new here, so I hope you'll excuse my newbie-ness.
I am located in Southern NH (about an hour north of Boston). I've been looking to buy a home for myself and my two boys. It's been very difficult to find anything in my price range, which for a single-family home is $275k. I've already lost out on a couple of fixer-uppers even though I offered above asking and little to no inspections. Also, I'm trying to stay in my sons' school district - which is rural and has little to offer for homes in my price range.

An opportunity to buy a 1985 duplex just came up. It's listed at about $325k. Each unit has 2 BR and 1 1/2 BA. It's a mirrored-floorpan townhouse style with 2 floors and walkout basement in a nice country setting. The yard is manageable for me at less than an acre. My mortgage broker says I would qualify and we will finalize a pre-approval tomorrow. I saw one side of the duplex with my realtor today and aside from some minor updating, it seemed fine. The other tenant wouldn't allow us access with several days notice, so my offer would be contingent on that and condition of the unit. (Red flag regarding that tenant not cooperating.)

I'm attaching what I got from the calculator. I treated it as if I were not living there, but technically the rents for this place should be $1600 and $1500, according to both realtors (mine and seller's realtor). Currently, the tenants are paying $1100 and $1200. I'm not sure why this is, because there is a shortage of rentals here. 

So, if I'm reading right, as investors, you all like to have the Cash on Cash ROI be over 12%, right? But if I live there, is it okay that it's just shy of 8? (I was generous with the expenses estimates.) I really just want to be able to subsidize some of my own "rent". My mortgage payment for the whole thing is estimated at $2238/mo from my mortgage broker fees worksheet.

Any thoughts would be so helpful! This is a big step for me and I'm nervous. I'm also not a numbers-whiz, but I'm trying. Do these numbers work? Thank you!

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Member since 2018 · 83 posts · 51 votes
7y

I personally think this a great idea. I've recommended my kids starting out like this instead of a SFH. After you build enough equity you could always go out and buy that SFH you want and rent both sides out.

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  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Ayne C.:

    @Chris Hanisco

    Dear single mom, you have my heart. I wish you all the best success!! I hope you will come back and update us in a year about how you don't know what to do with all the extra money. In 2 years you can update us on how you just snatched your 25th flip or something like that. ♥️♥️♥️

    By the way, I'm in Southern Maine travelling this whole month with my kids, thanks to homeschooling and rentals. Stay warm this week.

     Ayne - That sounds amazing! I would love the freedom to travel like that someday. Thank you for your kind words. The last few years have been tough. I was married for 23 years. My ex turned started drinking and then turned to drugs. Destroyed us financially and emotionally. I'm divorced now, supporting my two teens best I can. I'm ready for a better life! :)

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Wes Johnson:

    bought my first property when i was 21 and lived in it a few years then moved out and rented it out that was my first "investment". but if i could do it all over again i would ABSOLUTELY have done a duplex. i honestly had a chance to get one. single family is for the birds. the margins are too thin and one major repair can wipe out a years worth of profit. I could've lived in one half and rented out the other. essentially making my mortgage payment nil. and the management would've been easier because i would've lived next door so nothing would've taken days to address. the COC return is a little different when you're living on one half. i just look at it as "i'm living for free or very little, and when i move out, then i'll have two units to rent". think about it in the future when you have both units rented because that should be your plan. i kick myself everyday for not starting with a duplex or multifamily because you can still get FHA financing up to 4 units and in some cases (if they're already rented) the income from the other units can be used, thereby allowing you to scale up quicker right off the bat.

     That's awesome, Wes! 
    I feel like I'm 21 again doing this! I'm actually turning 49 this week. Yikes! I've always bought homes with my husband at the time. This is the first time I'm buying on my own while supporting my two teen boys. Adding landlord responsibilities on top of it is a scary prospect, but I can do this! :)

  • Developer · Dallas, TX · Member since 2015 · 84 posts · 79 votes
    7y

    @Chris Hanisco Definitely! It's not the management to be afraid of. Imagine a 21 year old kid having to collect rent from adults 2x my age! you've got it! living in the multifamily property makes the management easy but please please please buy multifamily whatever you do! do not buy a single family residence to try to rent out. All it takes is one major repair and you'll wind up working for free. Lesson learned the hard way :-/

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Scott Wolf:

    @Chris Hanisco, first of all, congratulations on opening your options to MF rentals to keep your boys in a good school district, and supporting them.

    For house-hacking, (as we call it here on BP), in best case scenario you will live for free, but it seems in your case, you will be living at a similar payment level to where you would be in a single family home. I'm using your monthly expenses minus half the monthly income.  You will also gain a tenant helping pay down your mortgage and the ability to cash flow once you move out (should you choose to keep it). 

    Good luck, and remember, you can always make a lower offer than the asking price!

    Hi Scott. Thanks!
    My mortgage payment would be around $2100 if I get it for what I think I will. ($2300ish if I pay full price of $325k according to my mortgage broker's sheet.) The other side rent would probably be $1600. That leave me with a "rent" of $500/mo for my side to make the mort. payment. A single family home in my price range would give me a mortgage of $1500-$1800 plus utilities on average. I' have more privacy, but I think I like this idea of saving money better. :)
    Thanks for the kind words!

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Gus Covarrubias:

    @Chris Hanisco

    Do it! I did and it has changed my life for the better.

     I plan to! If the owner accepts my offer and everything works out, of course. :)

    Thanks!

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Victor S.:

    has the house been sitting on the market a while? I would pay extra attention to any deferred maintenance items (roof, mechanical, electrical, etc.) hire an awesome inspector that will crawl the space up/down/sideways for you. definitely check the leases and try to get both sides vacant (especially the one with trash all over their yard).  

    can you comp this to any nearby properties? are you paying retail or under market at this point?

     The house has been listed for about 23 days. Prices here are high! Not many bargains. I've lost out on a couple of single-family homes, despite offering over asking price with conventional financing (20% down) and no inspections! Competition in my price range is high. 
    Property taxes are high too. We don't have sales or income tax here but pay dearly on property taxes. 
    I will definitely get a good inspector. And yes on the vacancy! That's the plan. I don't think they'd pay my rent increase anyway.  Thank you!

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Quito Keutla:

    @Chris Hanisco great job with doing your homework, starting out with a duplex is a great way to start. This totally makes sense. Happy Investing!!

     Thank you!

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Joe Scaparra:

    @Chris Hanisco , Since this is your first, take a deep breath and remember you are in control especially with this property and here is why.  The one tenant not wanting to show and the yard they are keeping is making it difficult to market this property. As a seasoned investor, I like the situation.  It reminds me of the second duplex I bought.  I walked in the first side, the tenant had been there for 15 years, but she and hubby kept it immaculate.  I then decided in my mind to make an offer, but then we went to the other side and it was a total disaster.   I was pissed off because I was set to make an offer.  The bad side tenants had a big mess and had unauthorized pets in the unit.   There was no way I was going to accept that tenant.  I gave my offer which was less than asking and it was contingent on that side being vacant before closing. I got the deal.  I am here to tell you right now, you will need to paint the entire interior, patch a few sheetrock holes, replace the flooring and probably get some new appliances.  No problem, those are cosmetic items, assuming 1000 sq ft,  flooring installed about 4k, interior paint 1.5k, and miscellaneous 2k.  In your mind go in thinking 8-10k rehab.  Use that logic to lower the price.  You will be anxious but if it is cosmetic then this will work out great, as you rid yourself of the bad tenant, you rehab the side you move in and hopefully keep the other tenant but slightly raise their rent.  

    Put pressure on your realtor to put pressure on the listing realtor to see the other side.  There should be a lock box on the property allowing other realtors access.  The listing realtor needs to realize that they may lose an offer if access is not granted.  This will not go over well with the current owner.

     Joe - So helpful. Thank you! I happen to be very handy. Every home my ex and I owned was a fixer-upper. I can paint, mud and tape - even "sweat" pipes. I'm not afraid to DIY. I love it. My boyfriend is a carpenter, so that helps! I will have somewhere in the realm of $20k in my account after the sale. I expect that some of that has to go towards repairs/improvements. 
    My offer will definitely be contingent on seeing the other side quickly. 

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Alvin Sylvain:
    Originally posted by @Chris Hanisco:

    @Joe Scaparra
    Thank you for your pep talk! That really helps. I was so worried I'd wake up this morning, look on here and find people telling me to run from this deal.

     Well if it makes you feel any better, RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!

    OK, have we got all the negative chi flushed out of our system? Good!

    Remember, in this business, like most others, you have to be cautious -- and bold! How you balance the two is up to you.

     Thanks, Alvin! I keep reminding myself that some discomfort is to be expected. That's how we grow. Sometimes you just gotta take a chance. An educated chance anyway. :)

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Milan Mehta:

    @Chris Hanisco This is a great strategy and am just adding to the others by saying you should go for it.  Just be sure you can afford to cover the mortgage if it is vacant for 1-2 months.  Living where you invest is a great way to start.

     I can! I will still have a good chunk of money after closing that I can live on for a month or two, plus make repairs.

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Frances Buerkens:

    I would double check rental property rates in your area since your income is a key variable. I do not trust the rates suggested by the seller's agent. Your buyer's agent may have your best interests in mind, but unless your agent is an investor or knows a lot of landlords, he/she might not know what they're talking about. Craigslist and Zillow are good places to search, of course, as are property managers. A 10-minute call will provide the information you need.

    CapEx: If your heating system only has "3 years" left, then your CapEx should either account for a new heating system or you should have a completely separate line-item budgeted for a new heat system. You don't need to be a numbers whiz here - but some simple planning will keep you safe.

    Expenses: I'm not saying your expenses are bad - but you should certainly ask if there are improvements you can make that will reduce the expenses you carry over time. Let's say you need to retire the heating system. Would the cash you have in hand be well spent to install heat pumps so the tenants pay their own heat? (This only works if the tenant pays their own electric, of course.) What are other ways you could reduce the expenses you carry? Heat pumps often need a backup heating system in New England, but many landlords in Maine are moving in that direction. 

    Thanks, Frances!
    I do believe the rates are legit. My realtor is an investor, so she knows, and I did also look at Craigslist and Zillow and the MLS for rents. People are looking for rentals on our town Facebook group almost weekly. There's very little around. I know I can rent this place very quickly. Lots of demand! :)

    Yes, the utilities are totally separate aside from water and septic. Thanks for the advice. Good to know! 

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Bjorn Ahlblad:

    @Chris Hanisco I applaud you enthusiasm and courage to step out of your comfort zone. A couple of things.  I have not been in that next door unit but I know what it looks like and smells like, and I know that tenant. You won't want this tenant in there after purchase, be prepared for an expensive rehab and a couple of months of no rent. I also know that LL; he/she does not give a crap and has not done any improvements or maintenance during their tenure. One more item; check comparable rents yourself and always do your own due diligence in this business. Don't fall in love with this or any other property, I'd suggest looking at some more listings-especially with more doors if possible. I admire your strength of character and wish you all the best!!

    Yes, you may be right on all of that. I keep getting hints from various people. I will try not to get attached. 
    Unfortunately, there aren't any other legal multi-families available in our school district right now, except for one 2-family that is listed in the $500k range. They are pretty rare. If this doesn't pan out, maybe one will pop up in the spring. 

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Joseph Walsh:

    The only flag I see is that you are buying a property that has an ARV of less than you're total money in, why are you paying more than it is worth?

    I'm actually not sure of the ARV. I just put a low number in there so I could see the worst case scenario. My Realtor sent me comps today. I'm looking them over to see what the property might be worth.

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Kiera Underwood:

    As long as your rents are close to 1% of the value of the home when you move out. And while you're living there as long as the difference between what your tenants pay and what your mortgage is, isn't more than you'd pay for a SFH mortgage or what you'd pay for rent for a similar property, why not build equity and plan on making money when you move out!

     Right! Yes, my portion of the mortgage would be about $600, I believe. I would be paying more than double that for a similar home. 

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Trevor Forbes:

    It looks like a good cashflow scenario. More so when the minor rehab is attended to, I believe that you would be able to increase the rent on the other side.

     I think so too. :)

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Brian Ploszay:

    With two unit buildings, look at your mortgage payment when you are done.  Is it more than the rental value of that unit?  That's one thought.

    One of my first properties was a similar situation.  I took over the basement and garage, so I got the extra living space I needed.  

     The mortgage would be around $2200. Rent for one side ould be $1600 or so, leaving me paying $600 for my "rent". Of course, I'd have all of the other expenses too, but I think it would work out fine.

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Nick Rutkowski:

    @Chris Hanisco

    I’m always an advocate for house hacking. Go for it and good luck. You’ll make money and experience, how can you beat that?

     True! It's important to grow. Scary, but good!

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Wes Johnson:

    @Chris Hanisco Definitely! It's not the management to be afraid of. Imagine a 21 year old kid having to collect rent from adults 2x my age! you've got it! living in the multifamily property makes the management easy but please please please buy multifamily whatever you do! do not buy a single family residence to try to rent out. All it takes is one major repair and you'll wind up working for free. Lesson learned the hard way :-/

     Got it. Thank you! Congrats on your successes!

  • Developer · FL · Member since 2018 · 26 posts · 16 votes
    7y

    @Chris Hanisco - I have a feeling that you will own a portfolio of investment properties a few years from now. Hats off to you for thinking big and SMART.

    To your success.

  • Rental Property Investor · New England · Member since 2010 · 86 posts · 75 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @CJ Hamlin:

    @Chris Hanisco - I have a feeling that you will own a portfolio of investment properties a few years from now. Hats off to you for thinking big and SMART.

    To your success.

     Wouldn't that be nice? I'd be thrilled! Time will tell. This is a good start. Thank you!

  • Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2018 · 405 posts · 474 votes
    7y

    @Chris Hanisco I would look for more sources regarding the rent prices. Realtors want to sell property and get that commission so they may be overly optimistic about rent potential.

    You could check Rentfax for comps. Small price to pay for less biased info.

  • Real Estate Agent · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2019 · 956 posts · 600 votes
    7y

    @Chris Hanisco

    My best advice would be that as soon as you’re approved make the offer! You can analyze and back out during the inspection period but you can’t do anything if someone snags it first!

    Also, I’d scope the main line during inspections if there are any trees around. I learned this one the hard way in a personal investment. Major repairs shouldn’t generally cost more than 5k and a good warranty will cover most if you choose that route, but a main line collapse might not be covered and can get really expensive. That $300 could provide a lot of peace of mind!

  • Rental Property Investor · North Conway, NH · Member since 2016 · 104 posts · 26 votes
    7y

    @Chris Hanisco  
    I have now purchased two multiunits (also in NH) and each time I've put into the agreement that the landlord needs to get them out prior to escrow. 

    For one building (a duplex) it was because of unsavory tenants.
    For the other it was because I was going to list it on Airbnb. 

    As the prior owner had a relationship, it saved a ton of aggravation on my side .... 

    So reflecting back to all the comments on the 'correct rents' in your area - if you're sure that the rental amounts are NOT up to standard - why wouldn't you want to start with an empty building, make your repairs, and then rent 

    Or kick the one that won't show you their unit ... move into it while you fix up whatever's needed over the first few months, while you're raising the rent on the other side. 

    Another comment regarding washer/dryer units. I'm studying for my RE agent license by a fantastic guy (Jim Berry) with 40+ yrs of landlord/RE agent experience. His comment to me was that if there is a common area to put washer dryers, put in coin-op ones and charge the going rate. I didn't see reference to that

    Additionally ... something you might wanna convince your carpenter boyfriend to buy with you would be the FLIR ONE PRO LT attachment for your smartphone ... you'll be able to learn a lot about your building (and everyone else's!) for around $400 ... and your kids will have tons of fun playing with it.

    PURPLE = COLDEST
    WHITE = HOTTEST

    Obviously, on the outside, the LEAST insulated part is supposed to be the WINDOW. On this house, the BEST insulation is the window. Losing tons of money.




    Cold air coming in around the door.




    My wife and I are loving the passive income, and highly applaud it for all. 

    I'd love to 'friend' with any/all that think it could be of interest

  • Rental Property Investor · Baton Rouge · Member since 2018 · 20 posts · 19 votes
    7y

    @Chris Hanisco

    After my divorce in 2011 I pulled the trigger on my first duplex. I lived in half and my tenant covered the entire mortgage and half of escrow. Really got me back on track. If the financials meet your criteria then go for it.

    Btw, I still own the duplex and the SAME tenant remains and has never missed or been late once.

  • Rental Property Investor · North East US · Member since 2019 · 114 posts · 31 votes
    7y

    my parents made mistake and got two family hause with cousines one at first they at second storey with one door to building. After 30yrs cousines become angry for not know reasons and war started. It was a hard time....

    Remember to have seperate doors to both units.

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