hard money loan for 1st rehab project

hard money loan for 1st rehab project

New to Real Estate · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2019 · 67 posts · 19 votes

Good morning guys!!!

So really quick guys would like to get some feedback from you experienced rehabers. Initially this wasn't even the approach I thought I would take as my 1st project in real estate but after connecting with a cousin I haven't spoken to in quite some time I've come to the realization that it might not be a bad idea to join him in a rehab flip project. Apparently his being doing this quietly :) for quite some time now and his done well for himself. If we move fwd with this deal this would be his 3rd flip. Since he holds a side job and has lived in his properties while he fixed them up he moved at his own pace. His 1st flip he made about 40-50k, his 2nd about same and now his is looking at his 3rd which i am thinking about joining him. Long story short guys, we found a fixer upper in the Morris county area of NJ. My cousin has lived in this area most of his life and knows it really well, the house is in a good area near schools and shopping centers. The house needs mostly cosmetic fixing, siding,windows, floors, bathrooms kitchen etc. Here is the kickers guys my cousin does a lot of the work and has good connections for getting cheap hands to get the house done quick and a lot cheaper in about 3-4 months tops. We then want to put in on the market. His agent his worked with for about 20 yrs got his house sold in about 2 months. 

So guys here is my major concern and please excuse my ignorance if it comes across that way but most of the subjects I have been educating myself on where to buy hold and rent I didn't expect for this opportunity to arise but it looks like a good one and its happening fairly quick. 

So here is the deal guys I had quick conversation with my cousins agent and she tells me we cant use a 203k loan so she puts me in touch with one of her colleagues for another type of "rehab loan"  as she called it. I get a call from a guy who after talking to him found out this was a hard money type of loan. He is offering full financing for the home and rehab cost except for down payment which we would pay 10% down and 10% interest on the loan. The way I understood it is I will only pay 10 % interest on whatever amount I use for that month for the rehab portion of the loan.Now he also said he will open up a llc and I would just pay the state fee. He will also run my credit even though he mentioned I do not need stellar credit which i do happen have just in case you need to know :) He was able to get me a pre-approval letter right away. I mean the guy moved quick (I Also do plan on going over the facts with him again)

Question is what other loan options exist besides hard money??? I mean i have good credit and some savings for down payment but a conventional loan is asking for 20% down vs the 10% down for the HML but then again conventional wont cover the rehab cost and 203k is out question since i am not living it. Essentially I am trying to figure out which is best way to fund this thing???

Today I plan on digging up some of the great calculators offered on the site to run the numbers but here is the jist of it. 

  • The home is listed for 100k we offered 132k. Its a single family 3-1. 1200 sq ft.
    • The budget estimate for the rehab cost is about 70k ,we strongly believe we can get this done for about 50k maybeeee a little less.
    • ARV for the home is around 300k, homes in the area are selling in range of 280-330k. We are also thinking of adding half bathroom on main fl which should add some value and also adding heating and coolant.
    • Taxes in Morris county avg around 5k a year. Insurance about 1200 a year.

    Again guys we plan on getting rid this thing in under 1 yr. Ideally 6 months but only thing that can hold us back is the selling of it more than the actual rehab because my cousin and I are confident we can get this done is under 4 months worst case scenario 5-6 months if we run into unexpected "surprises". Always have  to be ready for this type stuff JUST IN CASE.

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    New Rochelle, NY · Member since 2018 · 235 posts · 151 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Andre Fierro:

    Good morning guys!!!

    So really quick guys would like to get some feedback from you experienced rehabers. Initially this wasn't even the approach I thought I would take as my 1st project in real estate but after connecting with a cousin I haven't spoken to in quite some time I've come to the realization that it might not be a bad idea to join him in a rehab flip project. Apparently his being doing this quietly :) for quite some time now and his done well for himself. If we move fwd with this deal this would be his 3rd flip. Since he holds a side job and has lived in his properties while he fixed them up he moved at his own pace. His 1st flip he made about 40-50k, his 2nd about same and now his is looking at his 3rd which i am thinking about joining him. Long story short guys, we found a fixer upper in the Morris county area of NJ. My cousin has lived in this area most of his life and knows it really well, the house is in a good area near schools and shopping centers. The house needs mostly cosmetic fixing, siding,windows, floors, bathrooms kitchen etc. Here is the kickers guys my cousin does a lot of the work and has good connections for getting cheap hands to get the house done quick and a lot cheaper in about 3-4 months tops. We then want to put in on the market. His agent his worked with for about 20 yrs got his house sold in about 2 months. 

    So guys here is my major concern and please excuse my ignorance if it comes across that way but most of the subjects I have been educating myself on where to buy hold and rent I didn't expect for this opportunity to arise but it looks like a good one and its happening fairly quick. 

    So here is the deal guys I had quick conversation with my cousins agent and she tells me we cant use a 203k loan so she puts me in touch with one of her colleagues for another type of "rehab loan"  as she called it. I get a call from a guy who after talking to him found out this was a hard money type of loan. He is offering full financing for the home and rehab cost except for down payment which we would pay 10% down and 10% interest on the loan. The way I understood it is I will only pay 10 % interest on whatever amount I use for that month for the rehab portion of the loan.Now he also said he will open up a llc and I would just pay the state fee. He will also run my credit even though he mentioned I do not need stellar credit which i do happen have just in case you need to know :) He was able to get me a pre-approval letter right away. I mean the guy moved quick (I Also do plan on going over the facts with him again)

    Question is what other loan options exist besides hard money??? I mean i have good credit and some savings for down payment but a conventional loan is asking for 20% down vs the 10% down for the HML but then again conventional wont cover the rehab cost and 203k is out question since i am not living it. Essentially I am trying to figure out which is best way to fund this thing???

    Today I plan on digging up some of the great calculators offered on the site to run the numbers but here is the jist of it. 

    • The home is listed for 100k we offered 132k. Its a single family 3-1. 1200 sq ft.
      • The budget estimate for the rehab cost is about 70k ,we strongly believe we can get this done for about 50k maybeeee a little less.
      • ARV for the home is around 300k, homes in the area are selling in range of 280-330k. We are also thinking of adding half bathroom on main fl which should add some value and also adding heating and coolant.
      • Taxes in Morris county avg around 5k a year. Insurance about 1200 a year.

      Again guys we plan on getting rid this thing in under 1 yr. Ideally 6 months but only thing that can hold us back is the selling of it more than the actual rehab because my cousin and I are confident we can get this done is under 4 months worst case scenario 5-6 months if we run into unexpected "surprises". Always have  to be ready for this type stuff JUST IN CASE.

      The only other options I can think of besides hard money would be to add another equity partner or use a private lender if happen to personally know people that have large amounts of money sitting around in a bank collecting .01% interest that you could give a better return on their money but would be cheaper than the hard money.

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      • New Rochelle, NY · Member since 2018 · 235 posts · 151 votes
        6y
        Originally posted by @Andre Fierro:

        Good morning guys!!!

        So really quick guys would like to get some feedback from you experienced rehabers. Initially this wasn't even the approach I thought I would take as my 1st project in real estate but after connecting with a cousin I haven't spoken to in quite some time I've come to the realization that it might not be a bad idea to join him in a rehab flip project. Apparently his being doing this quietly :) for quite some time now and his done well for himself. If we move fwd with this deal this would be his 3rd flip. Since he holds a side job and has lived in his properties while he fixed them up he moved at his own pace. His 1st flip he made about 40-50k, his 2nd about same and now his is looking at his 3rd which i am thinking about joining him. Long story short guys, we found a fixer upper in the Morris county area of NJ. My cousin has lived in this area most of his life and knows it really well, the house is in a good area near schools and shopping centers. The house needs mostly cosmetic fixing, siding,windows, floors, bathrooms kitchen etc. Here is the kickers guys my cousin does a lot of the work and has good connections for getting cheap hands to get the house done quick and a lot cheaper in about 3-4 months tops. We then want to put in on the market. His agent his worked with for about 20 yrs got his house sold in about 2 months. 

        So guys here is my major concern and please excuse my ignorance if it comes across that way but most of the subjects I have been educating myself on where to buy hold and rent I didn't expect for this opportunity to arise but it looks like a good one and its happening fairly quick. 

        So here is the deal guys I had quick conversation with my cousins agent and she tells me we cant use a 203k loan so she puts me in touch with one of her colleagues for another type of "rehab loan"  as she called it. I get a call from a guy who after talking to him found out this was a hard money type of loan. He is offering full financing for the home and rehab cost except for down payment which we would pay 10% down and 10% interest on the loan. The way I understood it is I will only pay 10 % interest on whatever amount I use for that month for the rehab portion of the loan.Now he also said he will open up a llc and I would just pay the state fee. He will also run my credit even though he mentioned I do not need stellar credit which i do happen have just in case you need to know :) He was able to get me a pre-approval letter right away. I mean the guy moved quick (I Also do plan on going over the facts with him again)

        Question is what other loan options exist besides hard money??? I mean i have good credit and some savings for down payment but a conventional loan is asking for 20% down vs the 10% down for the HML but then again conventional wont cover the rehab cost and 203k is out question since i am not living it. Essentially I am trying to figure out which is best way to fund this thing???

        Today I plan on digging up some of the great calculators offered on the site to run the numbers but here is the jist of it. 

        • The home is listed for 100k we offered 132k. Its a single family 3-1. 1200 sq ft.
          • The budget estimate for the rehab cost is about 70k ,we strongly believe we can get this done for about 50k maybeeee a little less.
          • ARV for the home is around 300k, homes in the area are selling in range of 280-330k. We are also thinking of adding half bathroom on main fl which should add some value and also adding heating and coolant.
          • Taxes in Morris county avg around 5k a year. Insurance about 1200 a year.

          Again guys we plan on getting rid this thing in under 1 yr. Ideally 6 months but only thing that can hold us back is the selling of it more than the actual rehab because my cousin and I are confident we can get this done is under 4 months worst case scenario 5-6 months if we run into unexpected "surprises". Always have  to be ready for this type stuff JUST IN CASE.

          The only other options I can think of besides hard money would be to add another equity partner or use a private lender if happen to personally know people that have large amounts of money sitting around in a bank collecting .01% interest that you could give a better return on their money but would be cheaper than the hard money.

        • Specialist · Delran, NJ · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 951 votes
          6y

          Private and Hard Money are the two basic options for non-owner occupied in need of rehab. I don't think I saw how many points he was talking about, but all of that was pretty standard...a preapproval letter only takes a matter of seconds to generate. Make sure you know the details. It sounds like he's saying there's no prepayment penalties or minimum interest which is good. How do draws work? Are they advanced at closing? Extension fees? What's the term he's offering you?

        • New to Real Estate · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2019 · 67 posts · 19 votes
          6y

          @Joseph A. I figured this would probably be my only financing option. I do not really know anybody that can dish out large sums of money like that. 

          Even though I have good credit I guess conventional is out the question since they wouldn't fund the rehab cost. I thought about unsecured loan but I don't think they would approve anything that high.

          Hey @Odie Ayaga great questions see that's the type of things I need to ask this is my 1st time dealing with a hard money lender so thank you for that. What I do know is that we can definitely get the house rehabbed for well below normal cost and fast. Anything else I should be asking besides those questions you mentioned? I scheduled a call with him for tmr want to make sure I cover everything.

        • Specialist · Delran, NJ · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 951 votes
          6y

          @Andre Fierro feel free to give me a call in advance of your meeting. I can't promise to be comprehensive, but I can try to give you an idea of what to know and consider. Hard money tends to be more easily discussed conversationally than written I've found.

        • Attorney · Doylestown, PA · Member since 2015 · 103 posts · 65 votes
          6y

          Hard money will most likely be your best bet. I work with and represent alot of private/hard money lenders, and unfortunately i am seeing more and more stories of people who have given supposed "lenders" application/lock fees anywhere from 5-15k and the "lender" simply walked away with their money. There are alot of scams going on right now it seems, so make sure you do your due diligence on any lender to make sure they have a track record and are 100% legit. Best of Luck!!

           

        • New to Real Estate · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2019 · 67 posts · 19 votes
          6y

          @Ronald Isgate

          Thanks for the heads up! I have done my research on the lender and he came as a good Referal from well know realtor we have dealt with.

        • Real Estate Investor · Burlington, VT · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
          6y

          @Andre Fierro  Just checking if this is a typo?

          "The home is listed for 100k we offered 132k."

        • New to Real Estate · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2019 · 67 posts · 19 votes
          6y

          @Tom S.

          No typo it’ was listed on the mls for 100k but offers came in. We made one for 132k as max offer.

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