My family is Land Rich, Cash Poor...

My family is Land Rich, Cash Poor...

Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2015 · 82 posts · 15 votes

Hello everyone, 

My family is land rich, cash poor. My grandparents have lived off of oil & gas wells their whole lives, have millions of dollars worth of land, and are very complacent with this. My grandpa has thousands of dollars worth of checks scattered in the midst of his heap of paperwork on his desk and says "I'll get to it one day." This frustrates me so much. They collect annual revenues from small royalties, hunting and cattle leases, and have been selling off smaller properties lately to help them squeeze by. I will one day inherit said royalties and land (very small amount due to it being divided up between so many family members) but I'm just sitting here thinking, "Man, if I had what they had I would be selling property to invest in larger properties and gaining capital." I have gained a small amount of traction by convincing them to sell me a small lot in a nearby town for $500 that is due to be re-zoned soon and be part of a neighborhood. Basically it is a land-locked lot with no street access and the city will soon be building streets to these lots that random people own in order to create housing. I have the neighbor who is interested in buying my lot for $5,000 and am waiting on it to clear title. So boom - a little over $3K in my pocket all by simply asking my grandparents a question. On top of that, I contacted the neighbor on the opposite side with the same size lot who is willing to sell me his lot for $700. My idea is to sell both lots to the neighbor willing to pay for my one. He is interested in both now but we have not set a definite price. 

I give this example to show I know it is possible to capitalize on my grandparents' lack of motivation to do anything with their property. The only thing is I'm afraid it stops there...I go to pipeline lease meetings with my grandpa and am a part of things like that but as far as handing over the torch I think he thinks I am too young. It would be a dream of mine to have what they have and work to turn everything positive. My questions are what would you do in my situation? If I wanted to start acquiring my family's land and turn profits how would you go about doing that? Find smaller deals and sell until you get enough capital to start buying the large family properties? I am afraid that over time my grandparents will have to sell bigger properties, like the ones I grew up deer hunting on which are very sentimental to me, and I will have to watch my childhood be sold to some big-wig from the nearest metroplex. 

Just for reference between my grandpa, his two deceased siblings, and another landowner in town, they own 15,000 mineral acres of which roughly 5,000 are surface. 

Growing up and seeing what my grandparents do, it has always been a life goal of mine to be a land investor. Of course that's my goal, right? Lol. But seriously, it's what I am set on doing. Whether I own 5 acres when I die or 50,000, I will be in the game somehow. I have a pretty decent start using the leverage of my family but I have a large hunger for growth and in my eyes there is no reason I shouldn't be a bigger player in the game one day than they are right now. 

Please share your thoughts if you are an experienced rural land investor or if you have a similar family situation. Thank you!

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Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
6y

@Tyler Sample focus on what you can do on your own - or with your grandparents support, but not their resources. What they have is theirs... so start building your own!

Start networking and find a plot of land you can build on, or drill on. Get a loan, do whatever the next step is (I know nothing about oil & gas).

Direct your excitement and tenacity towards a project of your own.

Whether you build your own empire, or maybe you can prove you’re not as young as they think. Either way, you’ll be on your way.

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  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Tyler Sample focus on what you can do on your own - or with your grandparents support, but not their resources. What they have is theirs... so start building your own!

    Start networking and find a plot of land you can build on, or drill on. Get a loan, do whatever the next step is (I know nothing about oil & gas).

    Direct your excitement and tenacity towards a project of your own.

    Whether you build your own empire, or maybe you can prove you’re not as young as they think. Either way, you’ll be on your way.

  • Investor · IL · Member since 2019 · 151 posts · 135 votes
    6y

    Unless you inherit owning land is a lifelong journey. I live in the midwest so the market here is very different, but I can tell you how I started. I saved a down payment for a piece of ground that consisted of 135 acres total, 100 acres of that was timber. I sold enough timber over 3 years to pay the payments on that piece and a little more. Then I sold the whole farm and bought another one, 147 acres 86 tillable with the balance in pasture. I bought some cows and rented the ground and lived there, selling 18 years later because of divorce and buying the house I live in now, 70 acres of mostly tillable ground and banked some cash. My ex did quite well in the deal.

    The first piece I bought was marginal land and sold for far less than I paid for the next. The next piece was even better land from an income point of view. I know your part of the U.S. is not the same but maybe you could figure out how to move forward taking equity from each transaction and some money from your W2 and build your own empire, hoping your inheritance would be just a small part of it.  

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2019 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Tyler Sample:

    Hello everyone, 

    ... My grandparents have lived off of oil & gas wells their whole lives, have millions of dollars worth of land ... My grandpa has thousands of dollars worth of checks scattered in the midst of his heap of paperwork on his desk and says "I'll get to it one day." ...

    ... This frustrates me so much ... I know it is possible to capitalize on my grandparents' lack of motivation to do anything with their property. 

    ...I ... am a part of things ... but as far as handing over the torch I think he thinks I am too young.

    Hi Tyler,

    Don't disparage your Grandfather, he has been able to maintain this large cash producing holding since before you were born. Through the ups and downs of the economy.

    I will give you some advice. Learn his business from him, and at the same time (LEARN) the real estate investment business portion that interests you.

    You have done one deal (within the family) and made $3,000 and have another possible deal in the pipeline. That is YOUR Money--YOU made yourself...keep working at it YOURSELF, without trying to convince your Grandfather to sell off his "Cash Cow"--that is HIS Money and HIS property.

    Just keep doing your own thing, AND when he sees you being successful at this (your own thing), he MIGHT (as in might) want to go in with you as an investor on one of YOUR deals (that do not involve his property or cash flow). And I mean not go in as a Pity Helper, but as an actual investor (a business partner) on a particular deal.

    What I am saying is strengthen yourself up as your own man with your own business, and then after a couple of years (IF) you get something  that he is comfortable with (and comfortable that YOU can make a profit on for both of you as equal businessmen) he might put some of his backing behind it (which might be a lot more than you know right now).

    Another key point you mentioned is the oil meetings. Once you have proven yourself as being able to produce profits in your own business, these oilmen tend to have a dollar or two they can invest in other things if they want to...and you being a Known Member for a long time--if they see you are able to generate profits in your own business, they may be more of a risk taker than your Grandfather, and may want to back one of your deals.

    So Congratulations on making your first profit, and for having a second in the pipe line. Raw Land is a hard Row to Hoe compared to existing structures, it waxes and wanes like the moon. But if that's your thing--that's your thing.

    Good Luck!

  • Investor · Jasper GA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    I'd bet he would be glad to see you taking the initiative to accomplish something on your own instead of waiting for him to leave it his property to you.  As you do your own projects (keep them small) ask for his advice and also ask how you can help him with anything he doesn't like to handle.  Be patient and learn as much as you can.  Us older folks  are set in our ways and don't and like to keep the course even if it's not the best one, that's why they still sell flip phones.

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