Sprinting a Marathon: Overseas REI from 4-22 units in 15 months

Sprinting a Marathon: Overseas REI from 4-22 units in 15 months

Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes

Servus aus Bayern!  Hello from Bavaria! (I'm actually writing this from Poland but live in Bavaria)

I'd like to share my REI story as it's been a wild ride and I know a lot of you out there are just getting started and wondering how to do it long-distance. I'm a recent Army veteran and so between 2006-2013 my wife and I bought 4 properties and flipped three houses in NC, GA and TN. Then kids, career, and family life took priority between 2013 and 2017. Actually, my plan was very loose, retire from the Army in 2022 then flip a few houses and buy a few rentals which would make me FI enough to not have to work a 9 to 5. While living in Germany, that plan all changed, as I found myself leaving the Army in early 2019. From August 2018 - October 2019, I have grown my portfolio from 4-22 units, hired an amazing broker / PM (never met her in person or seen any of these new properties in person), did a BRRRR, used some retirement IRA money to invest in a syndication deal. I'm currently working to REFI a few properties so that I can continue to purchase more properties. My ultimate goal is between 35-40 properties hopefully within the next two years.

In mid-2018, I decided I couldn't wait, I had to buy rentals ASAP as I wasn't sure when I'd be leaving the Army, but I figured I had about six months left. I knew I wanted to use the Buy and Hold strategy towards FI. By this time, my family and I had been living in Germany since 2016 and we wanted to stay in Europe, no desire to return to the States. I started educating myself; Rich Dad Poor Dad, Long Distance Real Estate Investing, …. and many more. My four properties all had property managers and were all located around Army bases, Fort Campbell, Fort Bragg, and Fort Stewart. I knew the Fort Bragg (Fayetteville) area the best so I decided to contact my PM there and see if she was interested in purchasing properties for me, helping me fix them up, then managing them. Of course she was at first…however I soon saw that she didn't really understand what I was trying to do and lacked the drive and certainly didn't feel the time pressure that I was under to find and buy income producing rentals. We took 3 months to find a SFH and when I was on vacation in Seville, instead of working through how to get an earnest deposit to the seller within 24 hours or the deal was over, she told me we should just walk from the deal! Needless to say, I pressed her to figure it out and we closed on property #5 in Aug 2018.

It was then that I got on BP, researched my current PM’s company, and connected with a few people that also used this PM company and they all told me to run (I’ve used them since 2006, still do, and had minimal trouble but I knew this broker wasn’t going to get me to my goals).

Finding the perfect Broker and Property Manager

Back in Germany, I knew I needed to find a broker who also did property management. I didn’t want to split those key functions up between two companies. A quick Google search and after reading some reviews, I reached out to a PM company. The owner called me back within an hour on a Saturday, something that my previous PM refused to do! Within minutes I knew this lady knew her business. She knew the area, was a fellow investor, knew all the key players; contractors, lawyers, title companies etc. I was sold. Best decision I made on this journey. I can’t take credit, mostly dumb luck.

Not enough space to go into all the details but we closed on a duplex in November 2018 (units 6-7), a SFH in November 2018 (unit 8), a 3 duplex deal in February 2019 (units 9-14), two separate duplex deals in August 2019 (units 15-18), and a 2 townhouse buildings (4 units) deal closed in October 2019 (units 19-22). After this run, I decided, or it was decided for me, that I need to pause from purchasing and investing in stabilizing the properties.

All of my properties were either purchased using conventional financing or cash. My dad setup a mutual fund account for me when I was 16 with money that I had saved from birthdays and working; I've added to it ever since. This was the source for all my down payments and repairs. All properties have between 8-18% ROI.

Most of my properties are in C- to B areas, more C than B. I must admit, a few of them I was just excited to get accepted offers, probably should have done more due diligence on the area and read the home inspection report a bit closer. I was, and still am, in the acquisition phase so I knew that many of the properties would need updating and that in a few years they would all be stabilized with increased rents. That’s where I’m at now, a few properties are currently having tenant turnover, these are tenants that I inherited with the properties, most have been a pain and probably why the properties were sold at a discount! Glad to get rid of them but fixing what they left behind isn’t cheap.

I still consider myself a newbie, most of my recent success is because I have an amazing property manager who is an expert in this business. I don’t use any rental income for personal expenses, every dime goes back into paying for inherited, though needed, repairs, and saving for the next down payment. I’ve made mistakes along the way, learned a ton, and am putting systems in place to better automate my business and gain more time to spend with my family and enjoying Europe.

Doing this all from overseas has some obvious challenges. I can’t drive around and check out neighborhoods and potential units. I’m reliant on online real estate websites for research and when my very busy PM can visit a property instead of just going myself. There are no RE meetups here. I don’t get to meet and discuss my expectations with a contractor face-to-face, though my PM probably does a better job than I would do.

Here are some tips that I’d highly recommend for starters or those who are on their way but still a newbie like me:

  1. Find a broker who is also going to manager your properties. If you don’t do this, your broker will help you buy anything if they aren’t managing it…A broker / PM is going to make sure that you don’t get yourself into trouble as it is only going to mean more work for them.
  2. Separate your personal and RE checking accounts. Obvious I know. I did that since 2006 but it wasn’t until Dec 2017 that I had my CPA teach me how to setup and use QuickBooks Online.
  3. Hire a Virtual Assistant. I couldn't keep up with so many transactions and I had a feeling I might not always be recording in QB the right way. I hired a VA from the Philippines and he did within a week what was taking me months. I gained sooo much time back and for a very inexpensive price.
  4. Make a digital library of all your files. I’m going through a REFI now and the bank is asking for everything except my recent COVID test (negative).

If you are still reading, thanks for not getting distracted and pressing through! Kind of hard to condense 15 months into 2 pages so if you have any questions, ask away. I’m currently in Poland for work so excuse the delay. Thanks, and happy purchasing!

Chris

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Real Estate Syndicator · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2018 · 903 posts · 1k+ votes
6y

@Christopher G. Great story! In a way, we share a common link. I started investing in North Carolina in 2018, yet I live Phoenix, AZ. I too invest in Fayetteville, NC. and also experienced property mgmt issues. We've scaled up to multifamily apartments at this point and have made some great contacts in the area now. I can recommend some if needed.

In my opinion, the learning that comes from remote management speeds up the skillset of any investor. I think it makes for a better investor at a much faster pace. Great recommendations and advice as well.

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  • Joe S.Pro Member
    Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y

    I read through the whole post:)

    Very interesting and thanks for sharing.

  • Real Estate Syndicator · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2018 · 903 posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Christopher G. Great story! In a way, we share a common link. I started investing in North Carolina in 2018, yet I live Phoenix, AZ. I too invest in Fayetteville, NC. and also experienced property mgmt issues. We've scaled up to multifamily apartments at this point and have made some great contacts in the area now. I can recommend some if needed.

    In my opinion, the learning that comes from remote management speeds up the skillset of any investor. I think it makes for a better investor at a much faster pace. Great recommendations and advice as well.

  • New to Real Estate · Israel · Member since 2020 · 5 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    Great story Chris. As someone who is looking to get started investing in the US from overseas your story really helped me see that its possible and gave me a boost of confidence to get started.

    Thank you for sharing 😁

  • Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Joe S.:

    I read through the whole post:)

    Very interesting and thanks for sharing.

    No problem Joe, thanks for reading!

  • Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes
    6y

    @Michael Rosenblum no problem.  Stick with it, I'm not sure how not being a US citizen complicates investing in the states but I'm assuming it adds another layer of complexity, there is money to be made in the 'land of milk and honey'!  Good luck

  • Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes
    6y

    @Chris Levarek I'm always interested in expanding my network, thanks.  Yes I agree, having to figure things out remotely has definitely sped up my learning curve.  It's all about educating yourself first and ensuring you have a solid team on the same page before pulling the trigger on a deal. Thanks

  • Accountant · FL · Member since 2018 · 1 post · 0 votes
    6y

    @Christopher G. Thanks for sharing Chris. Your experience is motivating and provides insight on how to get started in real estate no matter where you live.

  • Rental Property Investor · Powder Springs, GA · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    6y

    @Christopher - awesome testimony and great to see fellow overseas investors seeing success! (I am in Japan and have been investing since 2017.) Would love to connect and get on the horn regarding the processes you've set up and compare our experiences (particularly the utilization of a VA to increase productivity as this would definitely be a value-add for me!)

  • Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes
    6y

    @Cesar Serrano thanks Cesar. Hardest part is getting started then it's hard to stop...

  • Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes
    6y

    @Troy Thompson no problem Troy. Send me a PM and we can arrange sometime especially since I'm in Poland for a few more weeks.

  • Investor · Alpharetta GA and Destin, FL · Member since 2020 · 68 posts · 55 votes
    6y

    @Christopher G. Having a digital copy of all my files has been so important to me! It's nice knowing I can access all my files from anywhere in the world!

  • Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes
    6y

    @Courtney Buck exactly.  I just spent a few hours renaming files that didn't make sense and doing some reorganization. Such a time save when a bank asks for 22 lease, management agreements, proof of insurance etc...

  • New to Real Estate · Fayetteville, NC · Member since 2019 · 6 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Christopher G. Wow what an awesome year you’ve had! I also invest in the Fayetteville market but I’m a local. It’s a great market to be in. I hope we can connect!

  • Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes
    6y

    @Emily Davis glad it's not just me that likes F'ville!  I sent you my PM's info.  Good luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · Fayetteville, NC · Member since 2014 · 884 posts · 670 votes
    6y

    The "secret" is out on Fayetteville. Its getting a lot harder to find good deals. That said, even average deals in Fayetteville cash flow better that many areas in the US. Additionally, the region is insulated by the economic security that Fort Bragg provides. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes
    6y

    @Justin Tahilramani very true.  I'm fortunate that my broker is born and raised there and is well connected but even so, deals are getting harder to come by. Can't tell you how many offers I used to submit within hours that the deal was already locked up. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Kennesaw, GA · Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    Awesome story, @Christopher G.!!  I think I last spoke with you almost one year ago and I could tell you were on the move.  But wow, did you really accelerate!  I appreciate your advice about hiring a broker/PM....makes a lot of sense.  Lemme know if you wanna introduce me to her ;-)  I still can't believe you pulled all this off from Europe without seeing a single property.  That's really impressive.  Congratulations on a great story and achievement.  Nice to see @Cesar Serrano on here as well!...It's a Frankfort reunion!

  • Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes
    6y

    @Jason Huff...glad to share.  Nestmanagers.com  Lindsey is the owner and my PM.  As soon as I have a good idea and need a patent I'm coming your way!

  • Rental Property Investor · Kennesaw, GA · Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    @Christopher G.....Thanks Chris!  We are getting close to taking the plunge, so I may give Lindsey a call soon.  I'll let her know you speak highly of her.  Sorry for the delayed response....I was on vacation and refused to look at my email, which was pretty much the most awesome part of my vacation!

  • Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes
    6y

    @Jason Huff must have been a relaxing vacation without email. I can go about 24 hours before the email gravitational pull gets the best of me. I just started a few REFIs so I think I'll be purchasing again soon. Let me know if you take the plunge. Chris

  • Japan · Member since 2018 · 4 posts · 4 votes
    5y

    Great post, I read the whole thing! Very helpful for another military member overseas (now Japan). Looking forward to seeing how your portfolio expands!

  • Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes
    5y

    thanks Jenn...I have since purchased a 12 unit small apartment complex with 2 additional SFHs under contract but will be a miracle if I close on those.  I guess I should update this thread in case anyone is interested 

  • New to Real Estate · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2021 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    5y

    Very encouraging and helpful post glad to see somebody else in Hohenfels.

  • Rental Property Investor · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 42 votes
    5y

    @Bryan Whitehead thanks.  I've actually scaled to over 30 now and am still in the Hohenfels area if you ever want to meet up. 

  • New to Real Estate · Hohenfels, Germany · Member since 2021 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    5y

    Congratulations that's some serious scaling! Ill get there someday day. I'm still just trying to learn the basics but I would love to take your offer and meet up sometime.

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