Vanilla Ice Project Season 3 - ARV Reality Check

Vanilla Ice Project Season 3 - ARV Reality Check

Real Estate Investor · Titusville, FL · Member since 2013 · 121 posts · 26 votes

I thought some of you might find this interesting...

I've been watching the Vanilla Ice Project, which for those of you who don't know it's a show that follows former 90's rapper Vanilla Ice (Rob Van Winkle) as he and his crew fix and flip a house.

On this season he bought a property in Lake Worth, FL which had been sitting vacant for quite some time. It's a 4 bedroom 3.5 bath home, about 3,500 sq ft, on a 1.3 acre lot on a small lake.

It was entertaining for me to watch because I LOVE this stuff. With my interest in real estate investing and the fact that I grew up watching shows like This Old House and The New Yankee Workshop, I just can't get enough! Anyway, I'll spare you my life story and get to the good stuff.

So what was the outcome of Vanilla Ice's flip you ask?

Well, on the last episode of the show, which aired yesterday 4/28/13, he had a huge party and an open house. Then he briefly went over the numbers. He claimed to have bought the house for $325,000. He said he put over $500,000 into repairs and would list it for 1.3 million. I wanted to see if the house had sold because I know these shows usually air well after they are shot, so I did a little Googling and I found the address of the property.

According to Trulia.com it was indeed initailly listed on 2/9/13 for $1,299,000. Then on 2/12/13 it was dropped $368,000 to $931,000 and as of 4/5/13 dropped another $100,000 to what it's presently listed at now, $831,000. A little quick math based on what Vanilla Ice himself said means he has over $825,000 into the property. Either the $500,000+ he claimed to have put into the rehab was TV puffery or he seems likely to lose on this deal.

A cursery look on Trulia.com at other proprties in the area would make one wonder how anyone would come up with 1.3 million as an ARV for this property. This brings to mind something I recently heard Ben Leybovich say on podcast 14 @34:20 http://www.biggerpockets.com/show14. In essence he said with single-family homes you can't increase the value you can only bring it back to the value the market has set, which is based on a comparative analysis. He said you can make it the taj mahal. You can put gold toilets in it, but you're not going to overcome the price the market sets for that particular location and size of property.

Let me know what your thoughts are?

If anyone is interested the property address is: 4240 Foxview Ct
Lake Worth, FL 33467. Here's a link to the record on the Palm Beach county property appraiser's website: http://goo.gl/f09Xs

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Investor · Southeast, MI · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
13y

I really liked the first two seasons. I switched cable companies and no longer have DIY, but through a glitch in their system, I can watch DIY shows on demand. Season three seems horrible. His best guy, "Handsome Dan", isn't on the show, yet he kept that clown Wes. Dan could fix anything, while Wes is always in the way. It must have been a money issue.

While I think Vanilla Ice did a nice job on the houses, it doesn't surprise me that the numbers don't work. Just like on Rehab Addict, Nicole bought a house from the city for $1. It's in a nice looking neighborhood too. You can't believe anything you see on TV.

I guess when DIY is paying you to flip a house, you can sell it at a loss and still make some cash.

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  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    13y

    Yep, you're right. It's been pending since 04-11 though. Still seems over priced.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Greeley, CO · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    I watch the show, I love it. Are you sure he didn't say he added 500k in value to the property? There is no way they spent that much on that house, especially since they do all the work themselves. After every show he always talks about how much value he added with his work, not how much the work cost.

    Of course he gets to add another source of income in on his flips. He probably gets tens of thousands of dollars per episode from the station.

  • Altus, OK · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 690 votes
    13y

    What channel?

  • Real Estate Agent · Milwaukee County, WI · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 525 votes
    13y

    I agree : he mostly talk about added value to the properties
    Typically come on Sundays evenings via diynetwork

    Occasional on HGTV

  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix/Lima, Arizona/OH · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    Josh Randall The market sets a value based on what people have shown a propensity to pay for similar product, and then discounts that value due to distress of physical property or the seller. In the SFR market, how "nice" the dwelling has less impact on the price compared to similar product, and more on its capacity to sell quickly before its competition. There is a huge distinction there…Obviously, there is a way to make money here – for the pros!

    I’d love to comment on this specific show, but I’ve had no TV service at my house for over 4 years now…

  • Investor · Southeast, MI · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    I really liked the first two seasons. I switched cable companies and no longer have DIY, but through a glitch in their system, I can watch DIY shows on demand. Season three seems horrible. His best guy, "Handsome Dan", isn't on the show, yet he kept that clown Wes. Dan could fix anything, while Wes is always in the way. It must have been a money issue.

    While I think Vanilla Ice did a nice job on the houses, it doesn't surprise me that the numbers don't work. Just like on Rehab Addict, Nicole bought a house from the city for $1. It's in a nice looking neighborhood too. You can't believe anything you see on TV.

    I guess when DIY is paying you to flip a house, you can sell it at a loss and still make some cash.

  • Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2011 · 252 posts · 56 votes
    13y

    500k is a big budget. I saw the end of one of the episodes and was shocked he spent 65k on landscaping. I guess he's taking the loss for this one.

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Santa Barbara, CA · Member since 2012 · 233 posts · 45 votes
    13y

    Ice ice baby..... his homes look amazing but you cannot create value in a single family home like he is trying too. If that home is still available then his holding costs must be gaining a lot of momentum in the red

  • Real Estate Investor · Titusville, FL · Member since 2013 · 121 posts · 26 votes
    13y

    Mark Ferguson he definitely said he put over 500k into it. I watched it a second time to be sure. It's TV though so who knows if that's factual. If you watch the show he did do a lot of over the top upgrades.

    Thanks for commenting Ben Leybovich. Certainly there is a difference between $100k-$200k properties vs $1,000,000+ properties, but to get $1.3mil in area where everything else is around $500k or less seems unlikely.

  • Investor · Cypress, TX · Member since 2013 · 403 posts · 59 votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Josh Randall:
    Mark Ferguson he definitely said he put over 500k into it. I watched it a second time to be sure. It's TV though so who knows if that's factual. If you watch the show he did do a lot of over the top upgrades.

    Thanks for commenting Ben Leybovich. Certainly there is a difference between $100k-$200k properties vs $1,000,000+ properties, but to get $1.3mil in area where everything else is around $500k or less seems unlikely.

    Your exactly right Josh. He absolutely put $500k into that house. Every episode he was saying he put $80k into something. He gets paid either way I'm sure so I doubt he cares how much he loses on the house. He doesn't have to do anything anyway except sit on the couch and collect checks. I still love that show. I always wanted to be Vanilla Ice!

  • Real Estate Investor · Saint Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 951 votes
    13y

    I didn't watch this season but I'm sure a ton of the materials were probably comped for plugging various manufacturers like most of the house flipping shows. That might lower his costs by $100-200k. Nobody should take real estate investing advice from Vanilla Ice anyway.....or MC Hammer.

  • Rental Property Investor · Manteno, IL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    13y

    I watched most of this season including the finale.
    They definitely said they spent 500k on the rehab.

    So maybe he can afford to lose money given that he's probably
    making some money doing the show. And he might also
    be looking at some value that his other profession might
    be gaining with all the free pub.

    Then again, maybe he simply just made too many mistakes
    on the rehab and is having to take the loss. They don't all make
    money.

    Although its interesting that the show didn't get an updated
    number shot showing how much money its actually listed for
    and how much he's actually going to lose.

    Because since he's all in at 831k for purch and rehab and he's got it listed at 825k, he's going to lose quite a bit. 4 or 5% for realtor fees? All the holding/maintenance costs he's had? Looks like he's going to lose about 100k on that thing.

    Then again is there any chance he's living in the home himself?

    btw: I thought that staging lady said that staging sells and that it would be gone day 1 with her great staging.

  • West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    11y

    I live in the area where Rob Van Winkle films most of his flipping shows. I believe he loses money on all of the homes, including the one mentioned above, which is not in either "Palm Beach" (an island town that is one of the most expensive places in the world) or Lake Worth, as this article claims. Legend Lakes is an unincorporated subdivision 15 or so miles west of Palm Beach and the coast, near the Village of Wellington, Fla. It is nowhere near the beach.

    I find it sad that Van Winkle, who lives in Wellington, promotes his show as "Palm Beach" - even featuring beach scenes, as if the home was right across the street from the Atlantic Ocean. Then, in the final episode, he brings in the former Wellington mayor for a tour and some face time. Where's the Palm Beach mayor?

    Onto the numbers. The Legend Lakes home mentioned above sold for $735,000 on May 29, 2013, according to the Realtors Association of the Palm Beaches MLS. Van Winkle's company, Van Rap Ltd, purchased the home for $305,579, according to the Palm Beach County Property Appraiser. If what Van Winkle quoted to us for his costs is true, then he lost $80,579 on this flip. The home sold for well above the $500,000 median price for that neighborhood, but $574,000 below the asking price. If you add in the fact that the commission likely cost him another $43,500 (6 percent, but could have been slightly lower) and Palm Beach County requires sellers to pay a substantial portion of the closing costs, his loss could have amounted to close to $150,000.

    A local vendor I spoke with said the HGTV show "asks" them to provide goods and services for free, in exchange for what appears to be a paltry amount of publicity, so maybe Van Winkle recouped a bit of money. The pool contractor who was asked to work at the first season Vanilla Ice Project house (in the high-end Wellington community of Versailles, which at the time was rife with foreclosures) refused to work for free, so someone had to pay for some of big-money goodies we saw in each show.

    Led by the phony and exposed House Hunters, HGTV's entire slate of "reality" shows are a scam and insult to viewers.

  • West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    11y

    Correction: The Legend Lakes home mentioned above sold for $725,000 on May 29, 2013, according to the Realtors Association of the Palm Beaches MLS.

  • Investor · Valdosta, GA · Member since 2015 · 187 posts · 112 votes
    11y

    HGTV? Scam?! Blasphemy!!!

    I won't hear a word of it!

    Lol kidding. It's so darn entertaining though. I've always wanted to be on an episode of House Hunters.

  • Real Estate Agent · Radcliff, KY · Member since 2015 · 59 posts · 18 votes
    11y

    If only he made a profit he could have afforded better lawyers for that burglary charge. 

  • Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2014 · 108 posts · 25 votes
    11y
    House hunters isn't real either. My sister in law gave us the skinny but she was going to do HH international. She moved to Rome and they contacted her a few months after. They would pay $1500 to clear out her furniture from her apt. Look at three places one is already hers and pick that one. Then move her stuff back in. 3months later check in is really the same day. I always figured something was fishy because they would show them two places that didn't work at all for them or price to high .
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