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To Buy or Not to Buy... That is the Question..

Gabe Chase
Property Manager · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2019 · 58 posts · 38 votes

Hello, I am 19 years old and looking to close on my first deal! I am super excited, however this deal has seemed to go on forever! About 2 months since my initial message and offer. The house is $127,000, with about $3000 in closing costs and $4000 in wholesale fee. So I'm going to be paying $9000+ to close on this house. I have already paid about $1000 for everything to be inspected and looked over (Home inspection, Plumber to come out, HVAC to come out, and roofer). 

The house needs a new A/C unit, Furnace is old and water heater should be changed out for a tankless when I replace everything. This property will be used as a college rental, which is why the tankless water heater was recommended. 

The property is worth $130,000 appraised and will cost me $127,000 + closing costs +Inspection(s) Investment(s). It will rent for $1429 a month and yield about 35% CoC ROI after all expenses and management fees.

This double deed transfer has cause the whole process to slow down and has made me feel like I have wasted 2 months. Is it worth it to continue and go through with the purchase of this house? There is a house for $110,000 with 300 less square footage in better condition right down the road. Should I focus on buying a BRRRR and put my energy and money into finding a private lender or hard money lender, or should I go through with the purchase of this house?

Please leave me any advice or questions! I would love to hear everyone's thoughts and opinions on this. I thank you all. Happy Holidays and Stay Safe! 

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Will Fraser
Real Estate Broker · Salt Lake City & Oklahoma City · Member since 2018 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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Hi @Gabe Chase, Good job pursuing a purchase and thinking about with an open hand.  That's a good path to take.

It sound to me like you are set to be upside down in this house.  The redeeming factor is that the rent ratio is comparably high to the value, but in reality you're experiencing the dirty underbelly of the wholesaling industry.  You'll end up paying $127+4k for a house that the market has demonstrated is only worth $130k and you will have done so with someone against you, not in your corner, rooting for their $4k fee regardless of the fact you're making an investment that the market testifies is backwards. 

Now this point aside, the Rent to Value ratio is the thing you have to make a decision on.  If it pencils out for you and you know FOR SURE you can do without the money you'll lock up in this property then that's one thing, but I know too many people who follow this path and then need to cash out of the property two years later only to find out that, oh wait, when you overpay for the house to begin with you end up bringing money to the sale not the other way around :( 

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  • Will Fraser
    Real Estate Broker · Salt Lake City & Oklahoma City · Member since 2018 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Hi @Gabe Chase, Good job pursuing a purchase and thinking about with an open hand.  That's a good path to take.

    It sound to me like you are set to be upside down in this house.  The redeeming factor is that the rent ratio is comparably high to the value, but in reality you're experiencing the dirty underbelly of the wholesaling industry.  You'll end up paying $127+4k for a house that the market has demonstrated is only worth $130k and you will have done so with someone against you, not in your corner, rooting for their $4k fee regardless of the fact you're making an investment that the market testifies is backwards. 

    Now this point aside, the Rent to Value ratio is the thing you have to make a decision on.  If it pencils out for you and you know FOR SURE you can do without the money you'll lock up in this property then that's one thing, but I know too many people who follow this path and then need to cash out of the property two years later only to find out that, oh wait, when you overpay for the house to begin with you end up bringing money to the sale not the other way around :( 

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  • Isaac El
    Springfield Gardens, NY · Member since 2017 · 258 posts · 63 votes
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    Originally posted by @Gabe Chase:

    Hello, I am 19 years old and looking to close on my first deal! I am super excited, however this deal has seemed to go on forever! About 2 months since my initial message and offer. The house is $127,000, with about $3000 in closing costs and $4000 in wholesale fee. So I'm going to be paying $9000+ to close on this house. I have already paid about $1000 for everything to be inspected and looked over (Home inspection, Plumber to come out, HVAC to come out, and roofer). 

    The house needs a new A/C unit, Furnace is old and water heater should be changed out for a tankless when I replace everything. This property will be used as a college rental, which is why the tankless water heater was recommended. 

    The property is worth $130,000 appraised and will cost me $127,000 + closing costs +Inspection(s) Investment(s). It will rent for $1429 a month and yield about 35% CoC ROI after all expenses and management fees.

    This double deed transfer has cause the whole process to slow down and has made me feel like I have wasted 2 months. Is it worth it to continue and go through with the purchase of this house? There is a house for $110,000 with 300 less square footage in better condition right down the road. Should I focus on buying a BRRRR and put my energy and money into finding a private lender or hard money lender, or should I go through with the purchase of this house?

    Please leave me any advice or questions! I would love to hear everyone's thoughts and opinions on this. I thank you all. Happy Holidays and Stay Safe! 

     Just want to tell you its never a huge waste - even if you get the deal or not, either way you get experience and better on your next one

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  • Gabe Chase
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    Property Manager · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2019 · 58 posts · 38 votes
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    @Will Fraser Thank you for all the advice. I agree with everything. Definitely have learned a lot and will probably not go through with the deal, after just running the numbers again.

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  • Gabe Chase
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    Property Manager · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2019 · 58 posts · 38 votes
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    @Isaac El Completely agree. Thank you!

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  • Patrick Torres
    Rental Property Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2019 · 60 posts · 50 votes
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    @Gabe Chase

    Can you provide some clarification on what you think the property is worth fully fixed up? It would not be typical to pay a wholesaler market value. What is your rental income going to look like? Congratulations on diving in at a young age, how did you finance this property?

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