Utilizing HELOC for downpayment on new property questions

Utilizing HELOC for downpayment on new property questions

Member since 2021 · 3 posts · 1 vote

I debated for 20 minutes on whether this question is appropriate for this forum and best I could come up with is "maybe"! If not, I apologize. I suppose it could be said that I am very early on in my RE investing and here is my current situation.

Been married for 18 years, wife has been a stay at home mom for 18 years (will be important in a minute). We have a smallish home currently into which we have about 70-80% equity. We need to move for my work, but it's not far enough to qualify for relocation assistance and so want to be smart about the move with the intent of making the next home be our primary home for at least a year, perhaps 2 and then start working on further investing.

To get it out of the way, I am unwilling to take a 401k loan for this, so that is not part of the equation.

We had been remodeling our current home for about a year, slowly and as we could, and cash flowing all of it so our liquid cash is lower than I would like it to be. Luckily, the homes in the area where we are moving too are very modestly priced so down payments are low relative to much of the country.

The challenge is that I know we have this equity in this home yet I need to extract it so that we can buy first, then sell existing. I have been researching a HELOC to accomplish this. Our current mortgage is actually not in my name, and in my wife's name only. She had bought the house just before we got married. However, since she has been a stay at home mom, I have been the sole person paying for everything. Both of us have excellent credit scores and my current actual DTI is only 7%, since the mortgage isn't actually considered. When you consider the price of home we are shooting for, it would be 25% front end with that mortgage. She does have some student loans and the mortgage, of course, so with no income, her DTI is effectively 100%. I have seen that is it possible for her to apply for the HELOC and I could co-sign and we should be able to secure the loan.

I have not yet applied for any pre-approval but actually almost started today until I realized that if I were going to use a HELOC for the downpayment, I wasn't sure how that would affect the mortgage application process as it pertains to credit and DTI. I plan on only taking a draw right before closing on the new home for the DP. I can cover closing costs no problem. I know the number one rule of mortgage application is do not apply for and receive any new credit from the time you get approved for a mortgage and closing so what is the best procedure and order should I approach this? Thanks!

Mike
 

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  • Real Estate Syndicator · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2018 · 903 posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Mike Miller Your DTI won't change until you pull out the equity. So you can qualify for the HELOC, just don't pull out the capital until you need it for closing which should be far after you qualify for the loan. Some lenders might ask to see bank account funds but in most cases, you should be ok if you have good credit.

  • Member since 2021 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    5y

    @Chris Levarek Thanks for the insight and you response is basically what I logically thought it should be. I have been crunching some numbers and it actually doesn't make too much of a difference to really be even worth attempting to go down that path. Still working on figuring out the best route to take though. Thanks again.

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Mike Miller close on the Heloc before you go into escrow on your next purchase because underwriters don’t like to see new applications for credit *during escrow*. Good luck!

  • Real Estate Broker · Watertown, NY · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Mike Miller - Cosign or put your name on her loan (pretty much the same thing).

    You need to be legally liable for any debt owed on the asset that's being pledged.  Personal guarantee most likely.

  • Contractor · Grand Marais, MN · Member since 2016 · 249 posts · 417 votes
    5y

    Talk to a locally owned bank, and explain it all. They have heard this story before. Anyone who comes in with that low of a dti is a pretty safe risk

  • Rental Property Investor · Mystic, CT · Member since 2019 · 11 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    @Mike Miller

    I have applied for a mortgage using a Heloc as down payment and while my situation is not the same as yours what I can tell you is that they are going to use the payment of the entire loans interest in the equation of your dti so if you take it out for 100k at 3% they will figure a monthly payment on that loan for the full amount even if you have not used any of it.

  • Chula Vista, CA · Member since 2017 · 195 posts · 104 votes
    5y

    Agree with @Tim Marshall experience. Same thing happened to me with the lender having to acknowledge the possibility of a fully tapped HELOC. So if you get a 100k HELOC but only pull 25k for the down, they still have to assume you have a100k liability for DTI purposes.

    You want to get the most equity out that you can but just talk to your mortgage lender first about how that will affect the prospect of your future loan. I'm sure you'll be fine, but being proactive and over communicating is the way to go.

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