New to Forum / Nashville / Looking for other Markets

New to Forum / Nashville / Looking for other Markets

Member since 2021 · 2 posts · 2 votes

Hi everyone, long time listener, first time poster. I've spent the past few years listening to hundreds of BP podcasts, now It's great to be in the forums as well.

To introduce myself - I'm located in Nashville and started investing with my girlfriend in 2018 when we purchased our first property. Since then, we've purchased 3 more for a total of 4 units (2 condos and 2 townhomes). We've learned a good chunk and are still hungry to learn more. I work a W2 job and my dream/goal is to be able to transition out of this job soon and pursue RE investing on a more full time basis.

The cashflow dynamics on our existing properties leave a lot to be desired. As novice RE investors, we were looking solely at ON market deals and they were the best we could find for mostly turn-key type places that were in "B'ish" level neighborhoods. The purchase prices of our unit were 178k, 215k, 255k and 260K. They're rented at market rate which achieves approximately a 0.6-0.8 rent/gross price ratio. $1595 for the 178K and $1650 for all the other 3 properties. HOA is $210 on all of them. I read extensively about the 1% rule before purchasing, though our RE agent was unable to find us anything that met our criteria. Looking back, she was not the right agent. At that time our focus was on earning consistent income at our w2 jobs, and we weren't selective enough about the investments. In hindsight I'm glad we got over analysis paralysis to get started but going forward I've realized we've gotta be more selective and buy under market value and/or buy stuff with hidden equity potential.

In an attempt to make up for many dumb wasted years (financially speaking lol) in my 20's and early 30's, I'm now pressing as hard as possible to make up lost time. My girlfriend and I both live in separate condos on the same street, which allows us to house hack with 2 roommates at each of our places. This allows us to live essentially for free, while saving more for our next down payments. She doesn't love the idea, but she's been a good sport (as long as it's TEMPORARY! lol). We've put down 20% on properties thus far, and they've had some mild appreciation. They're not big wins, but they're been learning experiences.

Moving forward we're looking to make some better investments that actually cash flow (not just break even like the existing places). I'd like to find a 3 or 4 plex to help kickstart things, or a couple duplexes as well. I'm open to staying in Nashville, but only if the numbers work. I'm moving toward the conclusion that it's not a good enough market for Price:Rent ratio, and looking forward to starting to link up with experts in nearby states who might have some insight and knowledge into their local markets. The tentative game plan is to quit my w2 job in a couple months and move to a surrounding secondary or tertiary market and try to find some off market deals. Most likely will be planning to BRRR for long term hold and may combine that with other creative exit strategies that may present themselves.

Markets that we've been looking closely at are Huntsville AL, Birmingham AL, Tampa FL and surrounding area, Orlando FL, Gainsville FL, markets around Dallas, Cleveland OH, Columbus OH, OKC, Gary IN and a few others. Midwest and south east, and we're leaning toward the southeast. Looking for a good cash flow market, but also overall city dynamics in terms of pop growth, job growth, good infrastructure, good QOL, reasonable crime, etc. My girlfriend works remote and is on board to move with me to any of the above cities.

If anyone has any advice in terms of which of the above markets they like the most, would love to hear any thoughts. We like Nashville, but I'm not satisfied with the Rent:Price ratio right now. I'm ready to hustle, and It's worth it to move and be in a superior cash flow market. We've considered the long distance turn key style, but I want to actively manage the projects, and ultimately drastically increase the velocity of our capital.

Looking forward to any feedback or ideas in terms of if any market(s) listed above stick out, or if we should steer clear of others.

Thanks all!

Jim

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Brandon GoldsmithBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
5y

I would suggest visiting some of the cities if you have not yet. Since this will be a house hack you are going to want to like the city where you are going to live and not just based on numbers of it. I know here in Columbus there is a good amount of Multifamily and the city is growing very well. Best of luck in the search! @James Perkins

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  • Rental Property Investor · Birmingham, AL · Member since 2019 · 76 posts · 43 votes
    5y
    Hi, Jim! It sounds like you're at an exciting moment in life!

    I only work in multifamily so I'll just give a quick shout out for Birmingham.

    I have a lot of friends here who are SFR investors and they're all pretty happy about it. Of course, the word is out & it isn't news that there are good cash flowing opportunities here. The unseen part is that we now have a pretty solid boots-on-the-ground environment for investors. All of those people you always need to quickly put together a solid deal team, they're here, they're experienced, and they love people who are here to invest in the city of Birmingham! I'd give it a close look.

    Cheers!

  • Real Estate Agent · Ventura, CA · Member since 2020 · 340 posts · 166 votes
    5y

    Hey @James Perkins! Congrats on your first post - and for your portfolio in Nashville, regardless of cashflow that's really impressive that you've got 4 units under your belt and have no doubt seen some appreciation since purchasing. I live in Nashville as well and have found a similar situation - typical long term rental price/rent ratios do leave much to be desired. Here's what I've noticed in my journey thus far (you're farther along than I am, but hopefully sharing my thought process will be helpful):

    1) In Nashville, the STR market returns are VERY good if you're able to buy in the right area and get approved for a STR permit. My wife and I decided on this option, and we purchased a duplex and will be renting half out as a STR. The permitting process is a pain, and it's unlikely you'll be able to get a non-owner occupied permit unless you're in the correct zoning, but at this point owner-occupied short term rental permits are still being issued.

    2) Have you looked into towns just outside of Nashville? Clarksville and Columbia have both been booming, but if you're able to find off market deals you can still get near the 1% rule in either of those areas. Occasionally even Murfreesboro, although that has become more difficult even in the last 6 months. I'm currently looking to purchase in Jackson, TN because the price to rent ratios put properties closer to the 1.5% rule and taxes are low, but it may not be top of mind for what you're looking for. 

    Let me know if you want to talk more about either of those, or if you ever want to meet up and talk real estate. Best of luck to you, sounds like you're on the right track and picking up momentum!

  • Remington LymanBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @James Perkins:

    Hi everyone, long time listener, first time poster. I've spent the past few years listening to hundreds of BP podcasts, now It's great to be in the forums as well.

    To introduce myself - I'm located in Nashville and started investing with my girlfriend in 2018 when we purchased our first property. Since then, we've purchased 3 more for a total of 4 units (2 condos and 2 townhomes). We've learned a good chunk and are still hungry to learn more. I work a W2 job and my dream/goal is to be able to transition out of this job soon and pursue RE investing on a more full time basis.

    The cashflow dynamics on our existing properties leave a lot to be desired. As novice RE investors, we were looking solely at ON market deals and they were the best we could find for mostly turn-key type places that were in "B'ish" level neighborhoods. The purchase prices of our unit were 178k, 215k, 255k and 260K. They're rented at market rate which achieves approximately a 0.6-0.8 rent/gross price ratio. $1595 for the 178K and $1650 for all the other 3 properties. HOA is $210 on all of them. I read extensively about the 1% rule before purchasing, though our RE agent was unable to find us anything that met our criteria. Looking back, she was not the right agent. At that time our focus was on earning consistent income at our w2 jobs, and we weren't selective enough about the investments. In hindsight I'm glad we got over analysis paralysis to get started but going forward I've realized we've gotta be more selective and buy under market value and/or buy stuff with hidden equity potential.

    In an attempt to make up for many dumb wasted years (financially speaking lol) in my 20's and early 30's, I'm now pressing as hard as possible to make up lost time. My girlfriend and I both live in separate condos on the same street, which allows us to house hack with 2 roommates at each of our places. This allows us to live essentially for free, while saving more for our next down payments. She doesn't love the idea, but she's been a good sport (as long as it's TEMPORARY! lol). We've put down 20% on properties thus far, and they've had some mild appreciation. They're not big wins, but they're been learning experiences.

    Moving forward we're looking to make some better investments that actually cash flow (not just break even like the existing places). I'd like to find a 3 or 4 plex to help kickstart things, or a couple duplexes as well. I'm open to staying in Nashville, but only if the numbers work. I'm moving toward the conclusion that it's not a good enough market for Price:Rent ratio, and looking forward to starting to link up with experts in nearby states who might have some insight and knowledge into their local markets. The tentative game plan is to quit my w2 job in a couple months and move to a surrounding secondary or tertiary market and try to find some off market deals. Most likely will be planning to BRRR for long term hold and may combine that with other creative exit strategies that may present themselves.

    Markets that we've been looking closely at are Huntsville AL, Birmingham AL, Tampa FL and surrounding area, Orlando FL, Gainsville FL, markets around Dallas, Cleveland OH, Columbus OH, OKC, Gary IN and a few others. Midwest and south east, and we're leaning toward the southeast. Looking for a good cash flow market, but also overall city dynamics in terms of pop growth, job growth, good infrastructure, good QOL, reasonable crime, etc. My girlfriend works remote and is on board to move with me to any of the above cities.

    If anyone has any advice in terms of which of the above markets they like the most, would love to hear any thoughts. We like Nashville, but I'm not satisfied with the Rent:Price ratio right now. I'm ready to hustle, and It's worth it to move and be in a superior cash flow market. We've considered the long distance turn key style, but I want to actively manage the projects, and ultimately drastically increase the velocity of our capital.

    Looking forward to any feedback or ideas in terms of if any market(s) listed above stick out, or if we should steer clear of others.

    Thanks all!

    Jim

    It does not matter where you start as long as you develop your Core 4. The core 4 is David Greene’s strategy for long-distance and made up of a realtor, contractor, property manager, and lender. Once you have this team in place, you should be able to confidently invest in any market.

    As for picking a specific market - I would go after one with an increasing job and population growth. I invest and work in Columbus, Ohio.

  • Brandon GoldsmithBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    I would suggest visiting some of the cities if you have not yet. Since this will be a house hack you are going to want to like the city where you are going to live and not just based on numbers of it. I know here in Columbus there is a good amount of Multifamily and the city is growing very well. Best of luck in the search! @James Perkins

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  • Remington LymanBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @James Perkins:

     You will be able to find better markets for cash flow. Cleveland, Cincinnati, Dayton, etc. are better for cash flow than Columbus.

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