Self Storage- Interest rates 8.5% down to 6.X% WOW

Self Storage- Interest rates 8.5% down to 6.X% WOW

Henry ClarkPro Member
Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes

Had a call from another owner, seeing if we wanted to sell any of locations.  Said no.  Then had a long conversation.  Asked him about loans and he said he was in the low 6.x%.  Last time I checked it was 8.25% to 8.5%.  Decided to contact our 3 banks and see where they are at. All of them were at the lower rate, but with us as an existing customer.

Existing Loans;

One of our current loans is at 5.25% on a 7-year balloon, with 3 years left.  With a 20-year amort.  Asked them to look at early refinancing at 6.25% or 6.5%; with a 7-year balloon and a 15-year amort.  He is also going to see if he can do a 10-year balloon period.  Keep in mind we have done business with them since 1993, and they are a family friend for over 70 years.  

We actually did an early refi on the above loan before.  Rate was around 4.x% with 2 years left on a 5-year balloon term.  I have been concerned about coming to the end of a balloon period and getting caught with a high rate at the time.  So refi'd early.  The Bank President bumped us from a 5 to a 7-year balloon term, locking in the rate longer.  

The above is about Risk management and our outlook.  I picture interest rates going really high (12 to 15%) in the next several years, so we don't mind the 1%-point increase to lock in rates for a longer period.  Am I right?  Who cares.  Develop a pan/outlook then work towards it.

Our second loan is via the SBA.  We won't touch this and will pay thru maturity.  10% downpayment our way.  Then 45% thru SBA and 45% thru local contracting bank.  The SBA portion is on a 20-year amort fixed rate with no balloon.  The Local bank is on a 20-year amort with a 10-year balloon fixed rate, then 5-year review periods after that.

New Deal $2.6mm:

When rates hit in the 8% range, I turned my Deal brain off.  Won't do deals at 9% or higher.  With rates in the mid to lower 6.X%; pulled a deal I had in the drawer and stopped due to rates being too high for us.    Updating the Deal analysis, following up on a few costs.  If it falls together, will do a post on the process start to finish.  This would be a 200% Cash on Cash deal if it works out, after a 3-year period.  Normally we are in the 400% range, but the land is larger than we want.  We may need to see if we can add a higher value add to the property to fully use the larger site.  This is also a Low-Risk deal for us from both a development standpoint and an abnormally Strong Market analysis, so the lower return is okay.

Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early.

It's your Money, Your always Right.

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  • Jason WrayPro Member
    Banker · Nationwide · Member since 2020 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5mo

    Henry,

    Curious as a Banker who deals with these conversations daily when do you reverse your "deal brain" meaning if the ARV is super lucrative? Do you have a specific purchase to ARV percentage or dollar range that will break the mold and "Date the rate" sort of speak...

    I see a lot of "New Investors" which you are obviously not and very seasoned but I am just curious if you hit a safe place and only go for the high purchase to cash flow ratio properties or a medley of both cash flow and ARV to pull out the intial capital and repeat.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
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    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5mo

    @Jason Wray   This is in context with my negative Economic outlook.

    1. Date the Rate- Since I perceive significantly higher Interest rates in the future, I won't do a deal today unless it works today.  Won't bank on a lower interest rate in the future.

    2.  We do two types of investments, which although they may sound large, even a new investor should take this view.  A.  Cash creation- buy, value add, sale, we do Country Subdivisions, just the lots.  See our Silver Springs Subdivision website.  Not trying to sale to anyone., B.  High initial Cash on Cash return and long-term hold.  Self-Storage.  So we do two types of investing.

    3.  New Investors- see my post I just did with a New investor and them wanting to do Commercial.  All New Investors, First time investors.  I would not do the types of deals Experienced investors are doing.  "You" have far more advantages than they do, with your first investment choice.  If you take advantage of your "First Investor" advantages, you can 4 to 50 X better than an experienced or Multi Asset investor.  

    Jason.  If I approached this from a Lenders standpoint, I would bring the Deal Package to the New Investor, versus them coming to you.  Read my response to the New Investor for Commercial. 

    Your tag line says "Nationwide".  I would develop a Lending and Wealth package for "Coast Guard" individuals.  Could do for the rest of the Military, but they tend to go overseas where you can't lend.  Coast Guard generally stays in the US. You then become more like an Insurance Agent with a Book of business for 20 years, versus doing a deal with a new homeowner or investor.

  • Michael K GallagherBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5mo

    thanks for this context Henry, very well thought out, and appreciate you sharing your experiences/context and outlook.

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