Pricing the Short Sale Offer

Pricing the Short Sale Offer

JD, CCIM , Real Estate Broker · Tuscaloosa, AL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

I'm a former banking lawyer, and former lawyer for the FDIC closed-bank division. I can tell you, from the inside, how banks evaluate short sale offers. Since then, I've successfully negotiated many short sales to buy properties at huge discounts.

Understanding the process starts with simple math.

What is the present value of a foreclosure, which is the only real alternative to approving a short sale. The present value of a foreclosure is the amount they will take home at the closing table after an REO sale, minus foreclosure expenses, holding costs (taxes, insurance, HOA dues, property manager, maintenance, etc.), and then discounted to present value using a VERY hefty discount rate.

If a property is worth $125,000 today, then the bank will assume it will be worth the same amount in one year after a foreclosure. Let's suppose that all the expenses will cost the bank $25,000, so they will net $100,000 in one year, upon a sale.

The question then becomes, what amount of money today, invested at 12% interest (the discount rate) compounded monthly would yield $100,000 in 12 months? The answer is $88,744.92. The discount rate is how the bank takes into account market changes, stigma discounts for foreclosure properties, uncertainty regarding valuation and expenses,, and the loss of use of their money. For foreclosures of entire subdivisions, I've seen discount rates as steep as 22%, calculated over a 7-year sell out of the lots!

For our example property, the bank will approve any short sale offer that will net them $88,744.92 at closing.

In reality, because neither the $125,000 appraisal, nor the $25,000 in expenses are firm numbers, but simply estimates, the bank will accept slightly less than $88,744.92. Money at the closing table after a short sale is "for sure." Money after a foreclosure and REO sale is speculative.

So, in this example, the bank might approve a short sale offer that netted them $84,000 at closing. Which means, in most markets, you can buy a $125,000 property for around $91,300 if the real estate commission is 6%.  If you have a real estate license and are willing to waive a commission, and if the listing agent is willing to accept only a 3% commission, then you can buy that same property for around $88,400.

In my opinion, that makes short sales the best foreclosure investing strategy.

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Paradise, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 871 votes
11y

@ Denise - Excellent post. While it may work for the big 5 across the board, I wouldn't say it's the only methodolgoy used or that it works well universally for all banks.

Yes, we all do an NPV but the variables are different in each area (As you pointed out). We don't assume it will be worth the same at a minimum in a year. Many pockets of the country are still on a decline. That said, many are on an uptick in value and we factor that in our analysis.

Just as important (Military relocation notwithstanding) are the reasons for the short sale and the financial situation of the borrower. If they are sitting on significant liquid assets and/or have sufficient income but want out of a property because they don't like that they are underwater potentially or, don't like their current interest rate because market rates are better, well, we may decline a short sale.

A short sale is an alternative to foreclosure in the event of default. One of the options available that a lender may consider (I know, this is rhetorical).

By the way, we use a 12.5% discount factor in our modelling and we adjust quarterly.

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  • Member since 2019 · 113 posts · 25 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Denise Evans:

    @Maurice George, a small local bank might do that. Any larger regional or national bank, or any servicing company working for a bank, will not.  All decisions by those banks will have to be supported by new appraisals and by financial analysis.

    Thank you Denise. 

  • Specialist · MA · Member since 2009 · 858 posts · 306 votes
    6y

    @Denise Evans  I have to say I'm withv@Wayne Brooks on this.  I'm in the New England market.  There is no rhyme or reason to the pricing at ALL.  For instance.  I am working on a PHH sale now.  Full blown appraisal done (by the bank), on what I would consider a tear down property that came in at $240,000.  The appraiser was dead on in my opinion.  Appraisal was done on 2/27.   PHH sent it to their "internal reconciliation" system - Altisource - which is in bed with Ocwen which also owns PHH and suddenly the reconciled value on 3/4 = $400,000 without EVER having stepped foot in the property, so as much as I would love to believe there is some amazing mathematical system in place that spits out a number for the banks threshold to buy, sell or whatever, I can't see it.  I've worked in short sales over 10 years, and honestly had good luck for the most part overall with Ocwen too, but this one of course is going to be a challenge.  I would say a lot are like this and for the person above who stipulated that Fannie Mae short sales are always overpriced, well, that's true.  They will even tell you that if you get to someone higher up at fannie mae.  They want ABOVE market value and Freddie Mac started doing it towards the middle of last year.  Can't wait to see how and if COVID really starts affecting the real estate market as I havent seen it yet.

  • Investor · West Chester, PA · Member since 2014 · 17 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    @Maryann L.

    Will a value dispute bring that number back down to $225 range ?

    How about hiring your own Appraisor ?

  • Specialist · MA · Member since 2009 · 858 posts · 306 votes
    6y

    Hi Tom, sometimes.  Sometimes a value dispute works and sometimes not.  An appraisal usually is much better, but obviously in my case above, where the BANK hired their own appraiser and then decided NOT to use the appraisal....well there isn't much you can do about that.

  • Paradise, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 871 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Maurice George:
    Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

    @Maurice George No, they won’t just reduce them. Anything less than the full balance owed would be a short sale....which will only happen if the house is worth less than the amount owed. 

    Wayne, the problem is, the property may worth 130K as is. If they go through the foreclosure process and then go to REO liquidation, they may get $130k or even less (after commission). Bank will not reduce any fees in exchange for remove this one off the book (especially what I am going to pay is higher than principle)?

     if its worth $130, no, the bank won't take less with your offer.

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