Buying FSBO Short Sale Without Agents

Buying FSBO Short Sale Without Agents

Member since 2008 · 60 posts · 1 vote

Hello All. I could really use some help here. There's a FSBO house that I'm interested in buying as my primary residence. The home owner can't keep up with payments and has left me voicemail saying that the lender/bank is willing to do a short sale.

Thing is....the home owner has no real estate agent. I have no real estate agent either. Is this a bad idea or can we march on ahead ,as long as we have a real estate attorney reviewing all the paperwork?

I'm new to this. Any help will be most appreciated!

thanks, Dave

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  • Member since 2008 · 60 posts · 1 vote
    17y
    Originally posted by Yoshio Sugawara:

    What she's getting is out from under a note she can't support with less impact on her credit than a foreclosure.

    She either doesn't care about her credit or wants to give me an impression that she doesn't care. I was wondering if I could "loan" her 30k? Write up a note saying that I'm loaning her money, payable back over ten yrs or something? Would that be legit?

  • Homeowner · Bellevue, WA · Member since 2008 · 30 posts · 0 votes
    17y

    I'd bounce that off your attorney. I guess as long as the $30K note is in no way related to the short sale, it should be ok, but having it show up on the books at the time of the short sale looks suspicious.

  • Real Estate Investor · CT · Member since 2008 · 119 posts · 6 votes
    17y

    A short sale with NO REALTORs involved is what investors live for!

  • Contractor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2008 · 183 posts · 17 votes
    17y

    I would never do a real estate deal without an agent - legal or realty - working the deal for me. Sellers are too emotional and this one you already say is a mess.

    Ditto you want your agent looking into the values, the deal, the structure. And be sure you get an appraisal.

    Since you are saving the bank and the seller trouble and costs, you should be seeing a better deal than if its just on the market.

    Don't get too excited or emotional. Just do the numbers and then the deal. It either works on paper or its not a deal.

    Diane

  • Real Estate Investor · CT · Member since 2008 · 119 posts · 6 votes
    17y

    Anyone can do a short sale, but only investors know how to work the bank down to the lowest possible acceptance price.

    I personally would much much rather use my own comps than any Appraisal. IMO, an Agents CMA can estimate a properties resale value far better than any appraiser.

  • Member since 2008 · 60 posts · 1 vote
    17y

    Update to an old thread. The home owner now has a realtor. I offered 550k for the realtor to submit to the bank as an offer. Realtor says the offer is too low, even though the last house in the development sold for 590k last yr in June. Since then, prices have been coming down every month. Realtor says she already has another 600k offer. I'm going to step away from this, and hope it goes to auction - which it probably will.

    1. Why does Countrywide take 2 months to review an offer when they are losing money every day?

    2. Is it true that an agent/realtor can't submit more than one offer to the bank, for the same property?

  • Member since 2009 · 499 posts · 117 votes
    17y

    I first saw this thred now. One comment "I" have is with a STRONG alcoholic seller such as this obviously is,,,is sold down to a nubbin,,,no 'visible' means of support,,,the BOOZE comes first in there mind. Find out exactly what they drink. If you want them eatting out of your hand,,have them drink your booze. Have a drink with them as you negotiate,,,makes them dependent or beholding to you!! Bring some more every time you stop back to renegotiate some more. IF they have the shakes,,or NEED it badly,,they dont CARE what it costs as to negotiaiting. If you think they drink a 6 pack,,,they probably drink a case or 2 (a day). If its a quart,,,they drink probably at LEAST 2 a day to keep from withdrawl Makes the house deal secondary!!

    Probably too late now that a realtor is involved but may have got her off the 30K deal back when,,,unless there is something she isnt telling you yet. Sometimes we need to DIG a little deeper.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Member since 2008 · 792 posts · 30 votes
    17y

    1. Why does Countrywide take 2 months to review an offer when they are losing money every day?

    2. Is it true that an agent/realtor can't submit more than one offer to the bank, for the same property?

    1. I have read reports that CW initiates over 100,000 new SS files each month

    2. No. It is true that a seller cannot enter into contract with two buyers at the same time, but there is nothing wrong with a realtor submitting a non-ratified offer or a back-up contract to the bank.

  • Member since 2008 · 60 posts · 1 vote
    17y

    David, Others,
    Let's say the seller's agent finds a qualified buyer who offers to pay a price that sounds like a sum the bank will accept. Paperwork goes into the bank. They take 2 months to review. At some point, the buyer backs out. What happens now? Does the house go to auction or does the agent submit another offer and the process starts all over again while the owner sits in the house rent-free month after month?

  • Member since 2008 · 60 posts · 1 vote
    17y
    Originally posted by Just Don:
    Find out exactly what they drink. If you want them eatting out of your hand,,have them drink your booze. Have a drink with them as you negotiate,,,makes them dependent or beholding to you!!


    She's an alcoholic; she'll drink anything. I think we're past the point where I could deploy underhand tactics to influence a sale :) Now it's between the seller's agent, the bank and the buyer.

    She had an open house last weekend. Everything in the house had a FOR SALE sign on it. She was selling clothing for $5 apiece. Who the heck is going to come to see a 750k house (purchase price 2 yrs ago) and buy $5 used clothes? Can't make this up...

  • Real Estate Agent · Clinton, MD · Member since 2009 · 54 posts · 18 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by Da Deep:
    >> How many mortgages are on the subject property?
    Two. Both with countrywide. Total amount owed is 700k.

    >> Who is the lien holder on the first?
    BoA.

    >> What is the balance on the first?
    Don't know (yet). Total is 700k

    >> Who is the lien holder on the second?
    BoA.

    >> What is the balance on the second?
    Don't know (yet). Total is 700k

    >> How long has the owner owned the property?
    Since July 06

    >> Did they receive 100% financing?
    No, HO said she put down 150k but I think she's lying.

    >> How many months behind on each mortgage is the seller?
    5 months

    >> How much did the most RECENT comparable sale sell for?
    One home sold in 07/08 for 700k. One home is currently listed for 590k. THIS home in question will need 30k in upkeep - flooring and paint.

    >> Most importantly, how badly does the seller want to conduct a short sale?
    The owner wants to "get something out of it". She's saying if she gets nothing out of it, she'll just let the bank take it. If she can get 30k from me, besides what I negotiate with the bank, she'll agree to a short sale. *ugh*

    She says she's already talked to the bank and they've allowed her to pursue a short sale. What amount should I offer the bank? 80% of Fair Market Value? I'm thinking FMV is 600k. 80% of that is 480k. What do you think?

    TIA, Da Deep


  • Real Estate Agent · Clinton, MD · Member since 2009 · 54 posts · 18 votes
    17y

    Da Deep,
    Don't walk, but run as fast as you can from this deal. Why?
    No1. In a short sale situation, the bank will not allow the seller to walk with any money. For this, you will need to send a HUD1 before the deal is approved.
    No2. For this deal to work, you will need to obtain comps for other properties that sold within the past 30 days.
    No3. You will need a purchase agreement along side other documentation that the bank will tell you.

    As David has been trying to impress on you, you are better off using a professional agent or a lawyer to do this deal- so that you cover your butts - just in case the seller later conveniently forgets and claim that you duped him or whatever...
    Regards
    nii

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2009 · 69 posts · 1 vote
    17y

    Da Deep,
    Listen to your friends here. You are a buyer in a buyer's market. You are letting bad advice, none of which came from people here, to take away your advantage in bargaining.
    Step back and save your money.
    Here is something to consider in determining value..
    If it was as good a deal as you seem to believe a more experienced investor would see this also. The people here are all saying RUN.
    There are more deals coming than you can imagine. Talk to people like those here until you get a good understanding of what you are doing.
    What I have learned with short sales is that there are no rules. If you are a good negotiator, are patient and professional in your dealings with the lender's people they will give you just about anything within reason. You have to be prepared to say no to more deals than you say yes to especially when there are so many choices.

  • Real Estate Agent · Boston Ma · Member since 2019 · 31 posts · 31 votes
    7y

    easy- no need to contact a bank -

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