short sale-important question!!!

short sale-important question!!!

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If i have a signed agrement and i am in first place with my offer is it legal for the realtor/homeowner to accept another offer and send it to the bank and then try to get me to raise my offer so i don't lose the house. Because i thought if you have a signed agrement and in first place they can not sign another agrement unless they go is 2nd place, or is it different in a short sale. Because i fell like i'm getting dick around.

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Residential Real Estate Broker · Payson, AZ · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
16y

It doesn't matter what the homeowner signs off on, the lender is the one taking a loss, it's their decision.

I don't know as far as the legality of anything, obviously, that's for a lawyer to answer.

This is why you submit your own offers and don't rely on an agent. I don't know your fully story or why you're buying this house (primary residence or investment, flip etc...) but if you plan on doing this again, you make sure you deal with the lender directly, you submit your offer directly even if there is a silly agent involved. It's your money, don't let someone else be in control of your money

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  • Real Estate Investor · Ocala, FL · Member since 2008 · 742 posts · 463 votes
    16y

    Good luck. I truly hope things work out for you and your wife on this deal.

    My last piece of advice, next time you are looking to purchase a property, get into contact with a real estate investor. I will pretty much bet you will not only get a better deal, but also lots of less headaches.

  • Real Estate Coach · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 36 posts · 1 vote
    16y
    Originally posted by Frank Walton:
    thanks john that article helped alot.

    You are welcome. FYI, be wary of advice from anyone who isn't licensed to practice law and who purports to give advice on the proper and legal handling of contracts, and who is ready to tell you what a party will/will not do as if it is written in stone.

    Nothing is more dangerous than someone who thinks that they know what they are talking about.

    All the best!

  • Will BarnardPro Member
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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    16y
    Originally posted by crosswind_:
    Good luck. I truly hope things work out for you and your wife on this deal.

    My last piece of advice, next time you are looking to purchase a property, get into contact with a real estate investor. I will pretty much bet you will not only get a better deal, but also lots of less headaches.
    That is the best advice I have seen in this thread! This is equally the best advice in this thread!

    My advice as an investor - move on. Why pay more than you should for a home. There are plenty of opportunities to find your dream home as an owner occupant and my advice would be to get the very best deal you can. Participating in bidding wars (real or phantom) will result in you paying more than you should or could.

    It has been mentioned several times in this thread, but without explanation, that you should be "in control of the transaction" rather than an agent. basiclaly, to accomplish this, you need to have the seller agree to have your name added to the listing agreement which means that all "other offers" that come in, go to you and not an agent or to the lender. It has also been stated that the agent must present all offers to the lender. Simply not true! The lender is not the seller, as outlined in the article posted by John M., Esq.

    Work with an investor who does short sales for a living in your area and you will find that you will get a better deal in many cases, get the home much faster as they can negotiate with the bank and get the deal closed faster, and not have to participate in bidding wars.

  • Member since 2009 · 21 posts · 0 votes
    16y

    Thanks Will that kind of puts thing in perspective but you see I'm not an invester I just happen to be looking for a good deal on a house and i came across this house that was listed at 299,000 back in march. So i was just looking threw the mls and see that same house at 189,000 on approval of a short sale. Now me not being so short sale savy i just call the realtor real quick went and look at it and made an offer the same day, not really knowing what i was getting my self into.

    So thats why i turned to this forum to try and find some help because i knew i was getting the run around, now if i had to do it all over again i would be getting ahold of one of you guys to do that for me.

    But I think i weathered the storm and finally my offer of 196,000 held strong and i have a written agrement from the seller that my offer is final and he will not be accepting anymore offers. So now i am just waiting on the bank and it's looking good.

    Also the bank we are dealing with is Wamu and i quess chase just bought them and thats why they said it's taking a little longer than usual. Thanks for the info.

  • Rehabber · Tucson, AZ · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 802 votes
    16y
    Originally posted by Frank Walton:
    Thanks Will that kind of puts thing in perspective but you see I'm not an invester I just happen to be looking for a good deal on a house and i came across this house that was listed at 299,000 back in march. So i was just looking threw the mls and see that same house at 189,000 on approval of a short sale. Now me not being so short sale savy i just call the realtor real quick went and look at it and made an offer the same day, not really knowing what i was getting my self into.

    So thats why i turned to this forum to try and find some help because i knew i was getting the run around, now if i had to do it all over again i would be getting ahold of one of you guys to do that for me.

    But I think i weathered the storm and finally my offer of 196,000 held strong and i have a written agrement from the seller that my offer is final and he will not be accepting anymore offers. So now i am just waiting on the bank and it's looking good.

    Also the bank we are dealing with is Wamu and i quess chase just bought them and thats why they said it's taking a little longer than usual. Thanks for the info.


    Frank-

    Good luck on your short sale. It seems to me you had to work a little harder to get your offer accepted than you probably should have.

    Unfortunately, the adventure has just begun.

    Your agent should have asked the listing agent some very important questions prior to submitting the offer. Although your not an investor, you could benefit from the experience of investors. Your success will depend on the experience of your agent and especially the listing agent as there are so many variables to consider. Some short sales may not make sense to attempt due to loan amounts or the type of loans.

    That is why Will was offering you some friendly advice.

    Anyway, good luck in your endeavor and please check back to let us know how things are going.
  • Will BarnardPro Member
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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    16y
    I truely hope it works out for you Frank. Just FYI: The seller gets nothing financially in the short sale transaction and thus the price to you does not affect them at all (unless the seller's agent negotiating the sale does not due their job right and allows a deficiency judgement against the homeowner. It does not affect the homeowner one bit if you buy at $197k or $180k or $100k. What it does affect is the selling agent's commission, although ten thousand dollars only amounts to $300, so that makes little sense too.
    The only one it affects in this transaction is you, the buyer, and the lender and they are not being represented by the sellers agent - the homeowner is!
    The next thing you need to worry about is the ability of the selling agent to effectively negotiate and expidite the sell of this transaction. Many do not, due to many factors and you could be waiting for this to close for months on end, all the while property values in your area may continue to drop.
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