Using LLC to aggregate investores for private mortgage

Using LLC to aggregate investores for private mortgage

Investor · Kingston, WA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Hi All,

I'm a real estate invstor near Seattle WA and currently own 5 properties. I'm a 'buy & hold' investor and want to acquire more properties while prices are depressed. Financing is of course the current obstacle.

I've recently set up a Private Mortgage Lending company, loosely based on Alan Cowgill's course and have done a luncheon which has attracted a handful of mostly retired folks who like the idea of getting 8% on their idle cash. Great, eh?

Now, the problem I am facing is that the first mortgages for homes in our area range from $150K to $300K, and these private lenders have funds ranging from only $30K to $80K. I know that I could put them in line in a first/second/third deed of trusts based on their loan amount, but I think the folks in the 2nd position and up may not feel real secure on their note.

One suggestion from a fellow investor is to have 3-4 of the interested lenders create a LLC, then they fund the LLC with their cash and the LLC then loans the money to me. The LLC has the first deed of trust on the property and it also is the Holder on my promissory note. I pay the interest to the LLC and principal belongs to the LLC.

Has anyone done this, or do you have any thoughts on weather this could work or violates any SEC regs? My research shows that according to the state of Washington, it seems that a "one lender to one note" is ok, but I'm not sure if that translates to an LLC being the "one lender". Below is the applicable exemption from their website at http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=21.20.320. Your thoughts/comments are appreciated.

--Bob

Any transaction in a bond or other evidence of indebtedness secured by a real or chattel mortgage or deed of trust, or by an agreement for the sale of real estate or chattels, if the entire mortgage, deed of trust, or agreement, together with all the bonds or other evidences of indebtedness secured thereby, is offered and sold as a unit. A bond or other evidence of indebtedness is not offered and sold as a unit if the transaction involves:

(a) A partial interest in one or more bonds or other evidences of indebtedness secured by a real or chattel mortgage or deed of trust, or by an agreement for the sale of real estate or chattels; or

(b) One of multiple bonds or other evidences of indebtedness secured by one or more real or chattel mortgages or deeds of trust, or agreements for the sale of real estate or chattels, sold to more than one purchaser as part of a single plan of financing;

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  • Real Estate Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2008 · 106 posts · 7 votes
    17y

    Globalvillage,
    In California we can have any number of investors holding a fractional interest in a first deed of trust. If you need $300,000 you could have four investors with $75,000 each holding a 25% interest in the 1st DT.

    Good luck,
    Rick

  • Investor · Kingston, WA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    Are your investors doing this through an LLC or if not, what is the specific method?

    Bob

  • Attorney · Santa Monica, CA · Member since 2015 · 25 posts · 13 votes
    9y

    Hi Bob,

    I came across this thread while researching the same issue that you were facing (i.e., multiple potential private lenders interested in lending for our flip projects yet only being willing/able to lend a portion of the total cost of the acquisition and rehab).  

    Our projects are in Washington, DC, where the cost to purchase and rehab the properties we are interested in is as high as $800K, yet the people who have expressed interested in lending to us only can lend up to around $300K.  

    How did you end up structuring your deals with your private lenders?

    Many thanks,

    Sheri

  • Wholesaler, rehabber, landlord and coach · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2011 · 33 posts · 11 votes
    9y
    In Missouri and filed a private placement memorandum in mo.... in mo you can raise up to $1m with max of 25 investors...not sure but each state is different. I am an Alan Cowgill student and use his methods and course as a guide but pooling private funds can get u in deep trouble so consult an attorney familiar with SEC rules. I hired one to do mine
  • Investor · Kingston, WA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    Hi @Sheri L. per Rick's post above, you could create a fractionalized Deed of Trust if it is allowed in DC, or you could set up a multimember LLC and have each member be a financial partner in the LLC. Confer with a local RE attorney and/or check with your state securities regs to see what is allowed. Here in WA we cannot do any fractionalized DOTs like Rick cites in CA.

    Bob

  • Attorney · Santa Monica, CA · Member since 2015 · 25 posts · 13 votes
    9y

    Thanks for the info, @Ray Bartle and @Bob Malecki.  

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