New scary HUD rules

New scary HUD rules

Real Estate Investor · charlton, MA · Member since 2009 · 2 posts · 6 votes

Hi Everyone,

Got this message from Boston REIA and thought everyone should know about it.

Rosanna

Dear REIA Members:

The following information is extremely important!
HUD has proposed to eliminate ALL seller financing unless the seller lives in the home or becomes a licensed mortgage originator. The proposed HUD Rules interpreting the federal SAFE mortgage act can be viewed at

www.regulations.gov Use the search parameter "HUD" and the keyword "safe". Please review and comment regarding the impact of this broad interpretation of the law.
"In addition to establishing HUD's responsibilities under the SAFE Act, through this rule, HUD proposes to clarify or interpret certain statutory provisions that pertain to the scope of the SAFE Act licensing requirements, and other requirements that pertain to the implementation, oversight, and enforcement responsibilities of the States. HUD solicits comment on the proposed clarifications and on the regulations proposed to be codified."

History:
As you may recall, we lobbied hard last year to maintain the right for individuals to make up to five seller financed transactions per year before being subject to mortgage originator licensing, etc... However, that law was passed subject to the Department of Housing and Urban Development's (HUD) approval of the law as "compliant" with the intention of the federal law. If any state does not have a compliant law, the SAFE act allows HUD to implement licensing for the state. HUD has since issued proposed rules. In a nutshell, seller financing would no longer be allowed for non-owner occupied homes.

How YOU can help:
We learned about the publishing of the rules very late in the process... and the deadline for comment is upon us on February 16. However, we desperately need for thousands of REIA members across the country to go on record with HUD on this issue. We will be working to try to affect this law in other legislative ways, but cannot hope to gain traction unless our members have clearly communicated that they are opposed to this portion of the rules. This is your chance to be counted on this issue.

PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO HUD! We have less than one week to flood this system with comments.

Follow these simple steps:

1. Logon to www.regulations.gov You will see two white boxes for searching
2. On the left box labeled "Document Type", pull the menu down and select "proposed rules"
3. On the right box labeled "Enter keyword or ID", enter "safe mortgage". Then, press search
4. Locate the blue search result "FR-5271-P-01 Safe Mortgage Licensing Act: HUD Responsibilities Under ...." To read the rules, click on this title. You will be taken to another page. You will see "views". You can click on PDF file or another symbol which will show you the rule document online.
5. On the right of the screen, click on "submit comment"
6. Complete the form providing required information and your comments and then submit

What do you say?
Say what you feel, but say it politely! The message should include that you would like the definitions in the proposed rules to be changed so that private individuals can originate and service loans on properties they personally own. Some ideas from others:

· bank loans are not available on some types of properties
· the tight lending climate has made bank financing "out of reach" for many
· seller financing is an "age old" tradition based on private property rights
· these rules would prohibit even partial seller financing - i.e. a "seller second"
· according to HUD's "Residential Finance Survey" in 2001, roughly 40% of all non-farm residential properties in the US are owned free and clear
· an estimated 6 million Americans own a property other than their own primary residence
· an estimated 4.5% of Americans own three or more properties, many purchased solely as investment properties
· 40% of non-owner occupied residences are mobile homes which are more difficult to sell with bank financing
· approximately 5% of homes in US are for sale or for lease... seller financing may be key to liquidating this inventory

The continued success of our industry as we know it is threatened by these proposed regulatory changes. Please do not hesitate to follow the steps above and make your voice heard.

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Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
16y

Hi Rosanna has a very good outline above. Everyone on this site needs to comment on one issue, more if you can. Space is limited in the HUD site.
Key issues include all the points above, but saying something like they are violating my rights will not weigh heavily on theri hearts. Limiting the ability of buyers to purchase will, since HUD has a long standing acceptance for home ownership with lease options with Section 8 tenants. Other points being that financing limits established tax treatments, financial and retirement planning, funding of self directed IRAs, etc. Just some ideas.

Be polite, factual and show why a mortgage originator won't work due to lack of experience, knowledge, availability of such people, etc. How are non-profits going to operate? Will Habitat for Humanity need a mortgage originator for their deals and those people will have to meet such guidelines?

Please take the time to make a comment, you may think it won't effect you, but it will as it will effect the end buyers that ultimately take you out of your deal or will be the basis of your deal closing at all. Bill

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  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    16y

    I thought this was dead. I think thye don't understand the scope of what is involved and why people carry back financing, such as in estate planning situations. I'm making calls! I advise you all to do the same. If they do, I'll be giving houses away and selling art work in every house and I'll finance the art work! Guess they are not smart enought to write some guidleines, as they were going to do, and took the easy way out. I guess they found it more complicated than they thought!

    LEAVE COMMENTS, WRITE A HAND WRITTEN LETTER AND CALL THEM!

    THE SAME LETTERS NEED TO BE SENT TO YOUR REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL, HOUSE AND SENATE!
    SPREAD THIS WORD ON ALL THE SITES YOU VISIT! THANKS, FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION! BILL

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    16y

    Hi, no comments here? I'm amazed! As I read this, if you got an offer to purchase and the buyer asked for financing from you, you can't even discuss it without you having a mortgage origination license! As one respondent put it, it's like swating a fly with a sledge hammer.

    Here's a number,1-877-378-5457 and its
    FR (Federal Register) 5271-P-01

    At least read it and write, it's your future! Bill

  • Real Estate Investor · Chesapeake, VA · Member since 2009 · 20 posts · 10 votes
    16y

    One more reason why wholesaling kicks butt!

    We dont have to worry about owner financing and other complicated things...

    just get the contract for a great price and pass it on to somebody who wants to pay you to step into your shoes!

    But I do wish everybody luck on this whole HUD thing...

    gotta love the government!

  • Azle, TX · Member since 2009 · 100 posts · 5 votes
    16y

    This is just another way for the government to make some extra money at our expense!

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    16y
    Originally posted by Alex Joungblood:
    One more reason why wholesaling kicks butt!

    We dont have to worry about owner financing and other complicated things...


    just get the contract for a great price and pass it on to somebody who wants to pay you to step into your shoes!

    But I do wish everybody luck on this whole HUD thing...

    gotta love the government!


    Hi, did ya think about how your buyer get's rid of a house? They may not buy as many! Bill
  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    16y

    Hi Rosanna has a very good outline above. Everyone on this site needs to comment on one issue, more if you can. Space is limited in the HUD site.
    Key issues include all the points above, but saying something like they are violating my rights will not weigh heavily on theri hearts. Limiting the ability of buyers to purchase will, since HUD has a long standing acceptance for home ownership with lease options with Section 8 tenants. Other points being that financing limits established tax treatments, financial and retirement planning, funding of self directed IRAs, etc. Just some ideas.

    Be polite, factual and show why a mortgage originator won't work due to lack of experience, knowledge, availability of such people, etc. How are non-profits going to operate? Will Habitat for Humanity need a mortgage originator for their deals and those people will have to meet such guidelines?

    Please take the time to make a comment, you may think it won't effect you, but it will as it will effect the end buyers that ultimately take you out of your deal or will be the basis of your deal closing at all. Bill

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    16y

    Hope evryone understands how the pool of available buyers aeefects all aspects of investing. Bill

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    16y

    Hi, there are two other threads on this subject, if anyone is interested in reading them in detail:

    HUD Proposal WOuld Eliminate Seller Financing

    HUD Trying to Eliminate Seller Financing

    Bill

  • Real Estate Investor · Arvada, CO · Member since 2009 · 68 posts · 5 votes
    16y

    I just got a notice from the local REI club that HUD is working on banning all seller financing. The good thing is that REI investors can speak their mind on the issue. With the way conventional loans are this could have far reaching effects. The deadline to speak your mind is March 5th. The act is called The Safe Mortgage Licensing act.

    Here is what to do:
    1. Logon to www. regulations dot gov You will see two white boxes for searching
    2. On the left box labeled "Document Type", pull the menu down and select "proposed rules"
    3. On the right box labeled "Enter keyword or ID", enter "safe mortgage". Then, press search
    4. Locate the blue search result "FR-5271-P-01 Safe Mortgage Licensing Act: HUD Responsibilities Under ...." To read the rules, click on this title. You will be taken to another page. You will see "views". You can click on PDF file or another symbol which will show you the rule document online.
    5. On the right of the screen, click on "submit comment"
    6. Complete the form providing required information and your comments and then submit
    Tell HUD why we need owner financing and how hard it is for buyers to get financing.

  • Real Estate Investor · Arvada, CO · Member since 2009 · 68 posts · 5 votes
    16y

    I see my thread got moved. This is scary. I love it when the government screws with things like this. It always turns out bad.

  • Lender · The City of Angeles, CA · Member since 2009 · 39 posts · 3 votes
    16y

    When it hits the fan the Government has to do something, anything to show people that it cares. That’s when the big companies’ lobbyists (in this case the banks) move in and explain to the government that the small businesses are to blame! Then laws are passed to protect big business and screw the small…

    As a founding member of the Southern California Mortgage Brokers Association (many moons ago) I was involved with a couple of these ordeals that cost the Small Mortgage Brokers and enriched the big banks.

    The first challenge was when they allowed all Real Estate Agents to earn commission from loans to please City Bank, who had come up with a scheme to make more money, which was later abandoned as it was a dumb idea but the law stayed on the books anyway.

    And the seconded was when in the name of fairness they passed the law making Mortgage Brokers disclose their income but not the banks.

    BTW: The S.A.F.E law which is going to screw with the carry backs was pushed through congress by the (BIG) Business Friendly Bush Administration. The Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008, signed into law on July 30, 2008 (Public Law 110-289) (HERA).

    raz

  • Real Estate Investor · Arvada, CO · Member since 2009 · 68 posts · 5 votes
    16y

    I love our government. They really look out for the average joe.

  • Member since 2009 · 61 posts · 9 votes
    16y

    This is what I wrote.
    -------------------------
    The requirement of becoming a mortgage specialist/originator, or anything of the sort is a preposterous proposal when concerning small companies/individuals.

    I understand the need to regulate large companies, i.e. banks. So that they are not allowed to make egregious loans or adopt predatory lending habits. But this act does the opposite of that!

    By only allowing mortgage originator/officers, or whatever to lend money on primary residencies, your creating a higher barrier to entry, thereby giving large companies a huge edge. Joe Smith from the local town can't take a 6 month course, he has a real job that won't allow it. The banks can afford this, and now you've taken away from so many people.

    The small level operations that lend money are an efficient market, that you will completely destroy with this Act. You will make it impossible for thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people to be unable to secure lending on a home.

    I say this because the people who wouldn't qualify for a bank's lending, can qualify from Joe Smith. Joe Smith should be allowed to sell a home to a person who doesn't qualify for a bank loan, based on his own personal judgment.

    If the borrower ends up not being able to pay, the only person hurt is Joe Smith, he has to take back the home and try to sell it again. The borrower is at the same place they were before, arguably in a better place because they've had somewhere to LIVE over the past few months/year.

    This process creates ZERO drag on the US economy.

    If a bank with bad policies lends to three million people, then the US economy is HURT, your ONLY allowing for exactly THAT to happen with this act.

    Reword the document that small lenders can sell THE PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN, without any of this red-tape.

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    16y

    Johnathan, many of your points really do not apply. HUD will simply say get a mortgage originator! It finding a mortgage originator that will do it, paying the fees, and their limited knowledge of what faces borrowers and sellers doing these transactions, IMO. Bill

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    16y

    Hi again, the above may not be clear...HUD is saying get a mortgage originator. Then they are telling mortgage originators to use conventional guidlines, that no balloon payment may be reuired until half of the principal amount has been paid, that loans must be fully amortized, that they must meet continuing education requirements, that they will be responsible for the originations and that the MOs will nedd to submit to audits and file reports. They are not saying a seller can not use seller financing. They are choking off the deals through the back door! How many deals will you get done under those guidelines and paying, perhaps a $1,500 origination fee? Bill

  • Real Estate Investor · Arvada, CO · Member since 2009 · 68 posts · 5 votes
    16y

    It seems like these guide lines would do more to hurt the average home owner and then enturn the whole economy. And help out the banks that got us into this S#7t hole.

    So here is the big question. If these new rules go into place will the government bail us investors out if a deal goes south?

  • Real Estate Investor · Member since 2009 · 260 posts · 119 votes
    16y

    So what do you guys think about this? Let's say that the guh-ment does put it's heals in our backs yet again.. could we still Rent to Own without a problem?

  • Real Estate Investor · Antioch, CA · Member since 2010 · 35 posts · 2 votes
    16y

    With the government stepping on owner financing could wholesaling be the next thing for the government to try to get their hands on? Why makes wholesaling protected from the government trying to get a share of the proceeds?

  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    16y
    Originally posted by Jackie Patterson:
    With the government stepping on owner financing could wholesaling be the next thing for the government to try to get their hands on? Why makes wholesaling protected from the government trying to get a share of the proceeds?


    The government certainly gets their share of your wholesaling proceeds in the form of taxes. In the state of PA, the PA Dept of Revenue has a rule in place where they want to collect real estate transfer taxes on both the assignment of contract and the end-buyer purchase for wholesale deals.
  • Wholesaler · Dallas, TX · Member since 2009 · 48 posts · 21 votes
    16y

    The latest post I have found on here do not mention the 1 property can be sold using seller finance every 36 months, without becoming a mortgage broker, originator, etc...

    It has even been modified to cover Trusts. I have heard that others are creating entities for each deal. This is extra cost and does offer an interesting question. Do you sell the home, or the entity owning the asset with seller financing. Person to person loan secured by remaining on the entity, or using a Trust to transfer the sale of the entity?

    We have had a policy of just leasing the property and allowing the occupant to buy 13 months or later with a proven record of timely payments. However, we have experienced a dramatic increase in folks walking away from previous seller financed deals, and evictions are at an all time high for us.
    If the mortgage industry were granting loans, we would not need to do seller finance. In Texas we are seeing almost every conventional closing delayed beyond 45 days, thanks HUD and RESPA for simplifying this for us all.

    Still good time to buy with cash, but holding surplus inventory for more than 10 months and not being able to use seller financing is going to increase housing surplus.

  • Altus, OK · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 690 votes
    16y

    Has this thing been passed yet?

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    16y

    Hi, YES it has passed, it is law, HUD is implementing it with states that do not have state laws in place that are similar to the SAFE ACT, they will begin lowering the boom July 31 from what I read last. The Act was passed. ANY NON-OWNER OCCUPIED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY requires a mortgage originator to originate the loan. Bill

  • Rental Property Investor · Lisbon, CT · Member since 2008 · 120 posts · 29 votes
    16y

    I am bumping this in hopes that an seller finance/LTO/option guru can comment.

    How well can deals be done with these restrictions?

    Is it possible we can do these deals and call in an originator to seal the deal? I am drawing blanks as to how this will play out and I am scared as to the consequences on my business.

  • Altus, OK · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 690 votes
    16y
    Originally posted by Financexaminer:
    Hi, YES it has passed, it is law, HUD is implementing it with states that do not have state laws in place that are similar to the SAFE ACT, they will begin lowering the boom July 31 from what I read last. The Act was passed. ANY NON-OWNER OCCUPIED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY requires a mortgage originator to originate the loan. Bill

    Wow with this and the health bill passing sounds like we need to call our country Untied States Socialistic of America.

    Our civil freedoms are being chiseled away one by one by one.

  • Rental Property Investor · Lisbon, CT · Member since 2008 · 120 posts · 29 votes
    16y

    Guys - Please read this and see if it sounds like what I think it sounds like:

    I found this on the HUD site.
    http://nhl.gov/offices/hsg/ramh/safe/smlicact.cfm

    Do you think you would have to bear the burden of proving residency or if the wording was just loose?

    If not I would say we are in the clear. I've checked with 2 attys in my locale and they both say we are fine because the definition of originator does not apply in the private sector.

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