Starting a new HML search for Louisiana investment

Starting a new HML search for Louisiana investment

Developer · Covington, LA · Member since 2017 · 224 posts · 124 votes

I've never used a hard money lender before, but with my first long-distance investment, I thought I'd give it a test drive. A little background: I am a developer, spec home builder, and occasional rehabber. Through a friend I ran across what appears to be a couple of promising investment opportunities in central Louisiana (CENLA), about three hours from my home. My friend is a contractor and would manage the jobs. My primary lender is a community bank with no interest in lending outside of their market area.

The two investments are SFHs next door to one another in a good part of town. They were purchased by a flipper, who decided to get out of the business in the beginning of the rehabs. One house is around 1,300 sf, which I can purchase for $30-35k, with estimated rehab costs of $30k. The other is roughly 2,000 sf, which will run $40-45k, with an estimated rehab cost of $40k. The comps in the area are roughly $100/sf, so it looks like I may be able to make some profit flipping them.

The lending terms I am hoping for would be:

  • 70%ARV
  • 80-90% purchase funding
  • 100% rehab funding
  • Draw schedule of 3-4 draws funded when the work is completed for each draw
  • 12 month term, interest only payable monthly
  • Interest rate 10-12% accruing only on the balance outstanding

Using BP's Network search I found a list of national HMLs who participate in Louisiana. I know, everyone recommends exploring local HMLs first. Thing is, in most Louisiana cities, local hard money lenders are few and far between. Additionally, I am exploring opportunities in other Gulf South states, so I would like to establish an ongoing relationship with a solid national lender with a presence in those states.

I've begun parsing the list I gleaned from BP by applying objective and subjective criteria. In fact, one of the most effective tools I am using is the BP forums. They provide a wealth of information from actual HML customers. With that said, here is my parsed list and some comments, in no particular order:

  • Angel Oak: They look solid and reasonable. They are located in Atlanta, which is not too far from my home. Main critique I read was that they can be slow moving.
  • RCD Capital: The have good reviews and participate actively in the Forums.
  • Patch of Land: Lots of conversation in the Forums, looks like borrows are pleased with their performance. They have an office in Dallas, which is fairly close to the projects.
  • Revolver Finance: Their terms appear reasonable, seem to be straight shooters (sorry), and based in Dallas, and a very cool name.
  • Temple View Capital: Good terms, responsive, well-liked in the Forums, active in the Forums, which I like.

Ultimately, my question is, in which direction would the experienced borrowers on the Forums steer? Should I apply to each of them. If I do will I kill my FICO ( not great but 680) from all of the inquiries? Should I open a dialog with the reps from each firm, then apply to the ones I feel most comfortable with? Do any of them rise above the others for some quality I may have missed?

Thank you for any assistance you may provide, and for bearing with me throughout this rather long post.

Rogers Smith

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Lender · Arlington, TX · Member since 2018 · 465 posts · 184 votes
7y
Originally posted by @Rogers Smith:

I've never used a hard money lender before, but with my first long-distance investment, I thought I'd give it a test drive. A little background: I am a developer, spec home builder, and occasional rehabber. Through a friend I ran across what appears to be a couple of promising investment opportunities in central Louisiana (CENLA), about three hours from my home. My friend is a contractor and would manage the jobs. My primary lender is a community bank with no interest in lending outside of their market area.

The two investments are SFHs next door to one another in a good part of town. They were purchased by a flipper, who decided to get out of the business in the beginning of the rehabs. One house is around 1,300 sf, which I can purchase for $30-35k, with estimated rehab costs of $30k. The other is roughly 2,000 sf, which will run $40-45k, with an estimated rehab cost of $40k. The comps in the area are roughly $100/sf, so it looks like I may be able to make some profit flipping them.

The lending terms I am hoping for would be:

  • 70%ARV
  • 80-90% purchase funding
  • 100% rehab funding
  • Draw schedule of 3-4 draws funded when the work is completed for each draw
  • 12 month term, interest only payable monthly
  • Interest rate 10-12% accruing only on the balance outstanding

Using BP's Network search I found a list of national HMLs who participate in Louisiana. I know, everyone recommends exploring local HMLs first. Thing is, in most Louisiana cities, local hard money lenders are few and far between. Additionally, I am exploring opportunities in other Gulf South states, so I would like to establish an ongoing relationship with a solid national lender with a presence in those states.

I've begun parsing the list I gleaned from BP by applying objective and subjective criteria. In fact, one of the most effective tools I am using is the BP forums. They provide a wealth of information from actual HML customers. With that said, here is my parsed list and some comments, in no particular order:

  • Angel Oak: They look solid and reasonable. They are located in Atlanta, which is not too far from my home. Main critique I read was that they can be slow moving.
  • RCD Capital: The have good reviews and participate actively in the Forums.
  • Patch of Land: Lots of conversation in the Forums, looks like borrows are pleased with their performance. They have an office in Dallas, which is fairly close to the projects.
  • Revolver Finance: Their terms appear reasonable, seem to be straight shooters (sorry), and based in Dallas, and a very cool name.
  • Temple View Capital: Good terms, responsive, well-liked in the Forums, active in the Forums, which I like.

Ultimately, my question is, in which direction would the experienced borrowers on the Forums steer? Should I apply to each of them. If I do will I kill my FICO ( not great but 680) from all of the inquiries? Should I open a dialog with the reps from each firm, then apply to the ones I feel most comfortable with? Do any of them rise above the others for some quality I may have missed?

Thank you for any assistance you may provide, and for bearing with me throughout this rather long post.

Rogers Smith

 First question would be what is their minimum loan amount. Often it is hard to find lenders that go below 75k or 50k loans, it sounds like you could be in that range. That might narrow it down for you alone.

They may be able to tell you verbally what sort of and terms you could get without pulling credit. Others may want you to apply and do credit pull first before they spend their time going over things with you. So you'll just have feel that out.

If it were me I would put a lot of stock in how competent and responsive they are. ( Obviously  make sure the fine print makes sense too.)  If it seem like the loan officer knows what they are doing and will they work hard for you, then getting to know a lender who will close your deals and get you the info you need fast will help make you successful.

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  • Lender · Arlington, TX · Member since 2018 · 465 posts · 184 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Rogers Smith:

    I've never used a hard money lender before, but with my first long-distance investment, I thought I'd give it a test drive. A little background: I am a developer, spec home builder, and occasional rehabber. Through a friend I ran across what appears to be a couple of promising investment opportunities in central Louisiana (CENLA), about three hours from my home. My friend is a contractor and would manage the jobs. My primary lender is a community bank with no interest in lending outside of their market area.

    The two investments are SFHs next door to one another in a good part of town. They were purchased by a flipper, who decided to get out of the business in the beginning of the rehabs. One house is around 1,300 sf, which I can purchase for $30-35k, with estimated rehab costs of $30k. The other is roughly 2,000 sf, which will run $40-45k, with an estimated rehab cost of $40k. The comps in the area are roughly $100/sf, so it looks like I may be able to make some profit flipping them.

    The lending terms I am hoping for would be:

    • 70%ARV
    • 80-90% purchase funding
    • 100% rehab funding
    • Draw schedule of 3-4 draws funded when the work is completed for each draw
    • 12 month term, interest only payable monthly
    • Interest rate 10-12% accruing only on the balance outstanding

    Using BP's Network search I found a list of national HMLs who participate in Louisiana. I know, everyone recommends exploring local HMLs first. Thing is, in most Louisiana cities, local hard money lenders are few and far between. Additionally, I am exploring opportunities in other Gulf South states, so I would like to establish an ongoing relationship with a solid national lender with a presence in those states.

    I've begun parsing the list I gleaned from BP by applying objective and subjective criteria. In fact, one of the most effective tools I am using is the BP forums. They provide a wealth of information from actual HML customers. With that said, here is my parsed list and some comments, in no particular order:

    • Angel Oak: They look solid and reasonable. They are located in Atlanta, which is not too far from my home. Main critique I read was that they can be slow moving.
    • RCD Capital: The have good reviews and participate actively in the Forums.
    • Patch of Land: Lots of conversation in the Forums, looks like borrows are pleased with their performance. They have an office in Dallas, which is fairly close to the projects.
    • Revolver Finance: Their terms appear reasonable, seem to be straight shooters (sorry), and based in Dallas, and a very cool name.
    • Temple View Capital: Good terms, responsive, well-liked in the Forums, active in the Forums, which I like.

    Ultimately, my question is, in which direction would the experienced borrowers on the Forums steer? Should I apply to each of them. If I do will I kill my FICO ( not great but 680) from all of the inquiries? Should I open a dialog with the reps from each firm, then apply to the ones I feel most comfortable with? Do any of them rise above the others for some quality I may have missed?

    Thank you for any assistance you may provide, and for bearing with me throughout this rather long post.

    Rogers Smith

     First question would be what is their minimum loan amount. Often it is hard to find lenders that go below 75k or 50k loans, it sounds like you could be in that range. That might narrow it down for you alone.

    They may be able to tell you verbally what sort of and terms you could get without pulling credit. Others may want you to apply and do credit pull first before they spend their time going over things with you. So you'll just have feel that out.

    If it were me I would put a lot of stock in how competent and responsive they are. ( Obviously  make sure the fine print makes sense too.)  If it seem like the loan officer knows what they are doing and will they work hard for you, then getting to know a lender who will close your deals and get you the info you need fast will help make you successful.

  • Developer · Covington, LA · Member since 2017 · 224 posts · 124 votes
    7y

    Good points @Caleb Jordan. I need the minimum requirement at $50k, which will understandably parse the field. That's why I'm not overly fee-sensitive. It is relatively expensive to do small transactions. Seems phone interviews are the way to initiate. 

    One of the lenders' sites mentioned their credit inquiry was a "soft pull", which does not reflect on your credit report. I've never heard of the term "soft pull". If there is such a thing, that would help. It is critical I maintain my credit standing for my new construction and development projects.

  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Rogers Smith

    Looks like RCD and Revolver are the only ones in your list that meet your criteria.  The others don't go down to 50K.  There are others for that loan size, but I think you hit two winners there.

    Something to watch for would be minimum fees to lender because of that loan size.

    Best of luck

    Stephanie

  • Investor · New Orleans, LA · Member since 2017 · 336 posts · 148 votes
    7y

    Best of luck, Rogers! As someone who lives near you and runs the local REIA, I can attest that there are very few HML in our area.

  • Developer · Covington, LA · Member since 2017 · 224 posts · 124 votes
    7y

    Hey @Courtney Fricke, I was hoping our paths would cross at some point. It looks like you've been quite active, and thank you for spearheading the REIA. While my normal market is on the Northshore, these two investments are in Alexandria. Not sure if that will make it more or less difficult, but I'm going to find out.

  • Developer · Covington, LA · Member since 2017 · 224 posts · 124 votes
    7y

    Thank you @Stephanie P.. If Revolver and/or RCD are interested, do you think the fact that I am seeking two projects may dampen my chances? If so, I may simply do one rehab and offer an option on the other property with a fairly hefty premium.

  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Rogers Smith:

    Thank you @Stephanie P.. If Revolver and/or RCD are interested, do you think the fact that I am seeking two projects may dampen my chances? If so, I may simply do one rehab and offer an option on the other property with a fairly hefty premium.

     I would do one with one and the other with the other.  Don't have all of your eggs in one basket at this stage of your game.

  • Investor · New Orleans, LA · Member since 2017 · 336 posts · 148 votes
    7y

    @Rogers Smith my pleasure. If you ever get a chance, come check us out at our meetings. They're free to attend and a great chance to network/learn.

    Best of luck in Alexandria. I've kept close to the Northshore for my investments, looked in Lafayette once but couldn't pull the trigger because of distance. Not my cup of tea just yet.

  • Developer · Covington, LA · Member since 2017 · 224 posts · 124 votes
    7y

    @Courtney Fricke, thank you for the invite. When is your next REIA meeting?

  • Investor · New Orleans, LA · Member since 2017 · 336 posts · 148 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Rogers Smith:

    @Courtney Fricke, thank you for the invite. When is your next REIA meeting?

     Tonight is the main one for the month (CPA talking about opportunity zones and maxing business profit) and next Tuesday is a lunch and learn on house flipping. Under the Network tab (up top) there is an Events tab. Both events have info under there. Or you can always go to lanorthshorereia (Dot) com for more info too.

  • Developer · Covington, LA · Member since 2017 · 224 posts · 124 votes
    7y

    Thank you @Courtney Fricke. I'll try to meet you guys Tuesday. Tonight is tight, and rarely will my wife let me out after dark.

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