Looking for Hello in 2nd position on small multi family investment properties

Looking for Hello in 2nd position on small multi family investment properties

Nicholas D.Pro Member
Investor · New Bedford, MA · Member since 2016 · 100 posts · 39 votes

Long story short, I have 3 properties in my own personal name: Small multi-family properties (a 4 unit and detached garage bank, another 4 unit, and a 3 unit) that I had residential HELOCs on in the second position, with a fixed residential in the first position. I also own a larger 12 unit held in LLC. The three in personal name have increased substantially in equity, I was going to tap the equity and reappraise etc looking at 4-500k of additional equity, these currently have separate notes in the 1st position of 3.35 30yr fixed. Of course the bank says "no problem", I start the process etc, then after credit pull and everything state "thing's have changed and you cannot own more than 3 investment properties" so now I'm at a standstill and they want to push me to commercial side, which in this case is requiring them to take my first and have to refi the balance and lose my rate and then tap a HELOC afterwards at commercial terms. Does anyone have experience with a bank or credit union that is offering Helocs in 2nd position on small multifamily investment properties without goin the commercial route etc... I'm located in Massachusetts, but not limited to that area. Any and all guidance is appreciated.

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  • Banker · Henderson, NV · Member since 2023 · 317 posts · 74 votes
    2y

    Hi Nicholas, 

    There are programs that will allow for up to 80% cltv for a heloc / second mortgage on a 1-4 unit investment property. 

    Some lenders may have a minimum loan amount requirement. 

    How much would you be looking to borrow from each property ? 

  • Gino BarbaroPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · St Augustine, FL · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    @Nicholas D.

    I would contact a mortgage broker to help you with the process. We use Eric Stewart at Atlantic Capital. 

  • Nicholas D.Pro Member
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    Investor · New Bedford, MA · Member since 2016 · 100 posts · 39 votes
    2y

    @Gino Barbaro I have contacted a couple of mortgage brokers the only products they are offering are actually worst terms than commercial HELOC options with rates around 10.5, where with the residential I am currently getting right around prime rate. I will look into Atlantic Capital. Thank you for the help!

  • Nicholas D.Pro Member
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    Investor · New Bedford, MA · Member since 2016 · 100 posts · 39 votes
    2y

    @Joseph Chiofalo I would be interested in taking a look at some of these products. If 80% CLTV is achievable I would be looking at lines of credit around 400+k, 300+k, and another 300+k. Most around my area and the ones I've been calling will only offer 70% occasionally 75% for investment properties and again these may be subject to commercial terms and rates with shorter draw periods.

  • Lender · Lake Havasu City, AZ · Member since 2024 · 700 posts · 285 votes
    2y

    Heloc on investment is terrible pricing, you and everyone in the US doesn't want to get rid of their 3% rates but also want that equity.

    If you want the equity bad enough you've gotta eat the heloc rate or kiss the 3% goodbye.

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