Some people hold title the wrong way

Some people hold title the wrong way

Realtor/Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 133 posts · 73 votes

Hello BP.  Thought this one was a tough one that only a CPA could figure out and a good learning lesson on how to take title. What will he/mom be taxed if they sell? Can taxes be avoided? Had someone come into my open house and say they want to sell their house they have lived in for years that they purchased from their mother.  They want to move into a different primary that's not as much house.  Sounded easy enough until I found out how they took title!, and advised that they should probably never sell and rather rent it as it cash flows 550 a month. His mother and father purchased the home for 142k in the 80's or early 90's.  His parents were using it as a rental the gentlemen gets married and purchased the home assuming the note of 250k at the time. His mother and father gifted the property to him and his wife but stay on title all as individuals and joint tenants.  Years later wife and him split and she does quitclaim the property to him. He continues to live and raise his kids there all while Mom and Dad have the property as an investment still and not claiming any income or write offs. No homestead filed. Years later his father dies.  After father dies mom realizes she needs a trust and places her portion of the property into the trust as tenants in common.  Should Mom claim the property as a rental and write it off?  should he claim a homestead? should he rent it out and write it off? should he sell?  How should they hold title?  What taxes have they dug themselves into? If they wanted to sell is a 1031 possible? Thank you for your help CPA's and Attorney's 

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  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    10y

    You know what you're talking about, but this is rather convoluted, his mother, she deeded.......put names to the parties Frank and Ema, Mary and Joe, Bob, Jim, so we can follow these relationships. Thanks, it will be easier to suggest solutions that way. :)

  • Investor · Honolulu, HI · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:

    You know what you're talking about, but this is rather convoluted, his mother, she deeded.......put names to the parties Frank and Ema, Mary and Joe, Bob, Jim, so we can follow these relationships. Thanks, it will be easier to suggest solutions that way. :)

     @Bill Gulley.  I'd prefer not to be part of this transaction.  Granny is already complaining to me that her whippersnapper grandson is trying to pre inherit.  LOL

    BUT for all you married people in community states you CAN title your property so that there is a 100% step up on the death of one!

  • Realtor/Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 133 posts · 73 votes
    10y

    @Bill Gulley thank you.  I am still learning how to post on here I appreciate the input.  Lets call mom=mary Dad= dave son which is the client = pete  clients x wife we will call x wife.  so Mary and Dave bought the property as a rental and held title as joint tenants. They gifted it to their son and daughter in law years later pete and x wife and all held the property as joint tenants.... Pete and his x wife split up years later and x wife quitclaims to pete.  pete's dad dave dies years later and after the death the mom sue opens a trust and places 50% into the trust as tenants in common. hope this helps if I left out any other info that is needed please let me know.

    @Account Closed once again thank you.  I have realized that you are just going to continue to teas me and that is fine.  I decided that I will not let it effect me nor will I react but continue to post these weird scenarios I come across regardless of what others say.  Especially this one as it is not the first time that I came across this disaster and people ask me how to buy houses from family members all the time.  This is a perfect question for you to help folks on BP @Account Closed as I know you are very knowledgeable regarding holding title. thanks for your help

    I should add a question into the scenario of .... HOW SHOULD THEY HAVE HANDLED THIS FAMILY TRANSFER

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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    10y

    @Account Closed,

    I am not a CPA, but this SF Chronicle front page article from a few months back is worth a read.

    Snip:

    People purchasing homes are often asked how they wish to hold title. 

    What many do not realize, is that loan originators also make a selection for how title will be held when you refinance too (because there is a new deed of trust, etc). By default I do "per prelim" (eg, copy what they currently have), but if it's in an LLC or something else we can't lend on, I'm sure to have that conversation with the borrower. Apparently not everyone does that.

    I used the article's numbers at face value when I first read it, did some math (again I am not a CPA), and it looked to me like the "Save $75/month!" refinance would end up costing the grieving widower well over $100k if he sold!

  • Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    Refer them to a local, licensed professional who specializes in the field and is qualified to advise them on such matters. This would be much better for them and for you than to share legal and tax information that you read on the internet. 

  • Realtor/Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 133 posts · 73 votes
    10y

    @David Faulkner yes thank you.  I always refer to my tax professional CPA  or my real estate attorney. This is a title twister that I thought may help other folks in a similar situation realize they may need to talk to a professional CPA/Attorney before/during/ and after acquiring property.  The big question is can you un twist it @David Faulkner

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