Does Everybody Need Help With Quickbooks Like I do?

Does Everybody Need Help With Quickbooks Like I do?

Rental Property Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2017 · 59 posts · 47 votes

Hello all. 

I'm not sure if I am doing this right or not. I purchased QB Desktop last month to convert my 6 spreadsheet rental property tracking system to one program. I have never used any accounting software before and it is safe to say that the learning curve is pretty steep. I have spent many hours setting up a Chart of Accounts, watching tutorials, coding accounts, trying to get transactions entered to show up elsewhere without messing up some other account, and a host of other banging my head against the wall activities.

I have found that Intuit is not the most. . . hmmmm . . ."available" in their customer support. The Quickbooks community posts also seem to thread into the author using symbols and all caps to convey their frustration at the Quickbooks support "answers" not really saying anything of substance. With that said, I was hoping perhaps someone on this forum has been through what I am trying to do and could tell me what I am missing.

1. Tenant Security Deposits: From everything I have seen online, tenant security deposits show on your balance sheet as an "Other Current Liability". I have one savings account for all of my security deposits and have set it up in the COA under Other Current Liabilities. Now, when I get a SD from a tenant it is put into my working checking account and then transferred to the SD Savings. The issue I am running into with the transactions in QB is in order to deduct an amount from my checking and transfer it to my Liabilities on the COA, the checking register has to show a "payment". . . But. . . If it is listed as a payment and directed to a Liability account, the liability balance goes down (ie I have $5,000 in the SD Savings and transfer $1,000 into it, when the transaction is made the $1,000 is deducted from checking but the SD Savings balance reflects $4,000 now instead of $6,000). I cannot get both of the accounts to match reality at the same time. I am looking at the following two options:

a. Listing the SD Savings as a bank on the COA and to hell with a couple grand being off of my balance sheet as a liability
b. Praying someone reads this post and says. . . "Brett, you dummy. All you have to do is this one little thing in the journal entry to fix all this mess you are creating for yourself."

2. Reconciliation of Registers to Bank Statements: Originally I had started putting in my accounts and listing the "Opening Balance" at the date of the last statement for each individual account. That's all great IF all of the banks put out statements on the very same day of the month. In my case they do not. The business credit card comes out on the 18th, some accounts are on the 1st, others the 29th, and so on. This created a huge mess when I tried to get all of the registers to line up because one transaction effected an account that started after the post date of the original transaction. I finally scrubbed it all and decided 10/18/2020 was the opening date for all accounts as it matched the business credit card statement date. Now, all of the account balances match the online balances for the associated dates for each transaction. I am running into an issue when it comes to Reconciliation of the registers to the bank statements though. The process leaves me with a "Cleared vs Beginning / Ending Balance Difference" of some amount. If I click reconcile against the warning QB throws up, an automatic Journal Entry is made balancing the account which changes the balance shown on the Register for that Account. If I delete the Journal Entry, the Register Balance becomes correct, but the Reconciled Balance is off again. (Catch 22?). Again I am looking at 2 options:

a. Never using the Reconcile feature on QB and keep up with the balances on my own OR

b. Praying someone reads this post and says. . . "Brett, you dummy. All you have to do is this one little thing in the journal entry to fix all this mess you are creating for yourself."

At the risk of asking too many questions and soliciting advice from people that I should be paying professionals to help me with, I will stop the post here. I will be going to my CPA to set up the Basis, and accounts for each property, but they charge from $65-$260/hr and I am trying to minimize costs as much as possible. At least if I go in with some solid notes and record the entire conversation my money to get this set up will be well worth it. Any help would be appreciated and feel free to message me if you want more details about the issues I am facing.

Thanks In Advance.


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Real Estate Broker · Portland, OR · Member since 2019 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
5y

You should really get an experienced QB guy to help you set up.  In QB, a lot tougher to add in stuff down the road if you don't have your basic structure right for expense/income tracking/reporting.

My wife is pretty sharp with QB, but it took her some experimentation for a while on our rentals.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2017 · 59 posts · 47 votes
    5y

    So I found if you bang your head against the wall enough, eventually you get to the "Help" Icon and type in the question you want to have answered. 

    Question 2. Answered: I found out that in the Registers for each account there are check boxes that have 3 different values.
    a. An empty box which means this transaction has not cleared your bank account
    b. A BOLD check mark (the first icon that appears when you click the empty box). This means the transaction has cleared your bank AND you have reconciled it with your bank statement. This transaction will not show on the reconciliation screen when you click "Banking --> Reconcile"
    c. A NOT SO BOLD  check mark (the icon that appears when you click the empty box 2 times). This means that the transaction has cleared your bank BUT you HAVE NOT yet reconciled the transaction with your bank statement. Therefore it WILL show up when you click "Banking --> Reconcile".

    Question 1:  Still remains a mystery to me as of yet. Maybe the wall I am banging my head against will impart some knowledge about accounting and Quickbooks before long... 

    WE SHALL SEE 

  • Property Manager · Lindenhurst, IL · Member since 2016 · 854 posts · 506 votes
    5y

    Regarding the security deposit, you should deposit to your security deposit account to begin with, IMO.

    Anyway, within QuickBooks, can't you just deposit to your checking account, and then transfer to your security deposit account? Then your security deposit account will show a positive balance, and "Other current liability" should show a negative balance.

  • Rental Property Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2017 · 59 posts · 47 votes
    5y

    @Soh Tanaka are you saying to have a savings account in banking and the same account listed in other current liabilities? Can you have both? Please give more details.

  • Rental Property Investor · PA · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 14 votes
    5y

    @Brett Sayers

    In regards to #1 Security Deposits -

    First, create a new "Other Current Liability" account in your chart of accounts and call it "Security Deposit Liability".  You can have one of these where you dump all of your deposits or you can go as far to make additional "Other Current Liability" sub-accounts for each property. The subaccounts can be titled like "123 Main Street - Deposits".  They will then appear as "Security Deposit Liability: 123 Main Street - Deposits" in your chart of accounts.  Each sub account will total and reflect in the figure shown in the main Security Deposits Liability account.  Keep in mind that these are just liability accounts and are not where you deposit your funds.

    From your post you are holding the security deposits in a savings account which I assume is listed as a bank account in your chart of accounts.

    Are you tracking tenant accounts as customers in QB?  If You are NOT:

    ->So, you receive a deposit from a tenant.    If you are NOT tracking tenants as customer then simply do a GJE ("general journal entry" and enter the received payment, lets assume its a $500 check, as such:

    Account- Saving Account   ;  Debit: $500 ;            Memo- Security Deposit Apt#1 Mr. Happy   ;  Class- 123 Main Street

    Account- Security Deposit Liability: 123 Main Street   / Credit: $500    / Memo- Security Deposit Apt#1 Mr. Happy ; Class: 123 Main Street

    NOW, if you ARE using customers to track tenant ledgers then you will need to enter a security deposit charge in their ledger for example: (I find the customer function clunky in QB for tenants but it can work)

    You'll need to make a new item "service charge" and call it something like "Security Deposits Charge".  You do not have to define a $ when you set up the item.  Have the item point to your Other Current Liability account for Security deposits or its subaccount by property.

    Then you can manually enter the security deposit charge in the customer account and it will show in the liability.

    Doing this will automatically show the liability in the Security Deposits liability account regardless if you have actually received payment or not.

    Then you will need to "receive payment" for that customer and it will post to his account.  Then that check will be available in your make deposits icon to deposit to your savings.


    I think you are confusing where you are depositing your security deposit
    funds with the actual liability it creates. They are two different
    things.

    Cool? :)

    B-Rad

  • Real Estate Broker · Portland, OR · Member since 2019 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    You should really get an experienced QB guy to help you set up.  In QB, a lot tougher to add in stuff down the road if you don't have your basic structure right for expense/income tracking/reporting.

    My wife is pretty sharp with QB, but it took her some experimentation for a while on our rentals.

  • Rental Property Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2017 · 59 posts · 47 votes
    5y

    @Bradley Niemiec thanks for the detail in the reply. I really appreciate that.

    So I track the properties by class and there’s no need right now to have sub accounts (yet).

    In regards to your reply, I think the net effect will still be the same on the balance sheet. If I transfer from a bank to other liabilities in the COA, the amount “owed” as a liability decreases. Similar to making a payment to a credit card. I am not sure if the journal entry will work the way you are suggesting.

    I did consider having the beginning balance for the liability account be negative so that every transfer of money in will cause the numbers to match reality of the balance in the actual bank, just with a negative. This will still skew the balance sheet though as the liability decreases.

    I’m still digging though. Head banging will continue until I get it right. All input is appreciated.

  • Rental Property Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2017 · 59 posts · 47 votes
    5y

    @Steve Morris thanks for the reply. I’m getting ready to set down with a QB pro advisor /CPA to get it all worked out. Just trying to expedite the process actually engaged with them as they bill out at $160/hr. I’ve got a handle on most stuff, just need to tweak my mindset a little.

  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    This is why I hated QB.  I just created an Excel spreadsheet for basic info on each unit.  The time spent entering stuff into a program like QB was just not worth it, to me.  

  • Property Manager · Lindenhurst, IL · Member since 2016 · 854 posts · 506 votes
    5y

    I think @Bradley Niemiec answered your question. Done right, QB is not perfect but is quite powerful, IMO.

  • Rental Property Investor · Oakland, CA · Member since 2020 · 11 posts · 15 votes
    5y

    Quickbooks certainly has its uses, but’s far too complicated for rental properties.

    Switch to Buildium. So much better, and is primed for rentals.

  • Accountant · IL · Member since 2020 · 1 post · 0 votes
    5y

    I think what you need is a transfer from checking to savings.

    To transfer funds in QuickBooks Desktop Pro, you use the “Transfer Funds Between Accounts” window. You can access this window by selecting “Banking| Transfer Funds” from the Menu Bar"

  • Rental Property Investor · PA · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 14 votes
    5y

    You don’t create a liability by transferring money from a bank account into a liability account.  That will result in a pay down effect and reduce the liability balance as you are experiencing.  

    The money you are depositing into your bank account as a security deposit should be created “from” the liability hence the debit (deposit) to the bank account/or undeposited funds and the credit (increase) to the liability account.  

  • Member since 2019 · 448 posts · 306 votes
    5y

    @Brett Sayers

    Hey Brett, nice post. I bought quickbooks and decided to comitt to it....I have had quickbooks all year and to be honest i like the actual software but it just does not set up well for rental properties. I hate the whole process to set up each property and the software doesn’t seem to understand that i pay a credit card balance off with the checking account.

    I am switching to stessa for my software. Its designed for landlords and its free, so it saves me the $25/month.

  • Member since 2019 · 448 posts · 306 votes
    5y

    @Brett Sayers

    You can track properties by customer or class. A guy named “income digs” has a good tutorial on how and which one to set up.

  • Rental Property Investor · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2017 · 218 posts · 138 votes
    5y

    @Brett Sayers I looked at QB but decided to go with Quicken Rental Property Manager instead. It’s all set up for tracking rental properties, and also much less expensive.

  • Real Estate Agent · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2017 · 54 posts · 21 votes
    5y

    @Brett Sayers

    Hello Bret from NYC!

    I work as accountant at a Real Estate Company. I also track my investment property with QB.

    For your number one: it’s a function of “Transferring funds between bank accounts”. Sounds like you’re hitting the liability when you should be hitting an exchange account.

    You should 100% reconcile. A. L. W. A. Y. S.

    QB is great. HOWEVER, it can also be a headache. Especially when you mistakenly delete a transact because you moved too quickly.

    I’d be happy to get on a call with you and help you out. (Not selling you anything). I just understand your frustrations.

    I manage about 182 accounts. Most in a different real estate software, but some in QB along with personal finances.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Norfolk, VA · Member since 2017 · 345 posts · 200 votes
    5y

    @Brett Sayers Based on your posts, I can see your frustrations. I find that Intuit has better support with QBO than QB desktop, I think since that's the future and probably they will eventually phase out the desktop version, who knows. There are also features for QBO that are not available on desktop so you might be paying more but will spend less time.

    Let me see if I can answer your questions

    1. The proper way to enter the security deposit is. a. Create an invoice (using items Security Deposit mapped to Security Deposit (liability account). b. Process received payment, Deposited to Checking account. As an alternative, you can skip step a & b and process a Sales Receipt instead. c. Process a "Transfer" from checking to the savings account. The reason why I like processing it as an invoice is that when you go to customer account, it will show up under Transactions. But if you insist to enter it using Register entry method, sure. a. The deposit in the checking account should be categorized as Security Deposit, then the "payment" (which is actually a transfer to savings) in the checking should be booked using Savings account as category.

    2. When you set up a bank, credit card or loan account, you will need to determine what is the starting date you would like to track for all accounts. So say you want to start 10/1/20, then get the balance as of 09/30/20 for all your accounts and set that up using the Opening Balance category. It appears like you are doing the reconciliation incorrectly since the journal entry created by the system usually pops up when you are forcing the account to balance. Also, once the account is reconciled, you are not supposed to be deleting or changing the amounts, otherwise, it will throw off your beginning balance of the next reconciliation and messes things up. Reconciliation is a must, you just need to do it right. 

    Honestly, if you hired a professional, the set up should have been done in a few hours and a 2-hour coaching session should have covered pretty much what you need to know (at least the basic) to get you going with the day to day bookkeeping of your business. The hourly rate may be expensive but the amount of time it will take them to do it will be way less than the time you spent trying to figure it out. I'm not pitching anything, it's just a reality. The good thing is since you spent many hours learning it, when you do finally to ask for guidance, it will be easier for you to pick up what is being taught. 

    Quickbooks is a generic software, but if it's set up right along with your accounting process, then you will appreciate more. Good luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · Boise/Portland · Member since 2017 · 709 posts · 742 votes
    5y

    @Brett Sayers Hire a Filipino Virtual Assistant bookkeeper on Fiverr or Upwork who understands QB. You won't regret it. Repeat; hire a VA. They know what they're doing.

  • Rental Property Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2017 · 59 posts · 47 votes
    5y

    @Bradley Niemiec I think I see what you are saying now. The savings account should be under banks and the deposit of SD funds would be from the liability in the “account” section of the register. Is that what you are getting at?

    I’ll give it a try tonight and see what I get. Thanks.

  • Rental Property Investor · Portland OR · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    As someone who made her living for many years from fixing the messes people made trying to self set up quickbooks, I suggest hiring a pro to do this for you and then to train you how to use it.  However, there are many people that say they know how to use QB but they will only make it a bigger mess.  Your best option is to call your CPA and ask for a referral to someone to help you. 

    The straight up talk answer is that the longer you wait the more it will cost you to get it all untangled :) 

  • Rental Property Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2017 · 59 posts · 47 votes
    5y

    @Matthew McNeil that's a great idea! I was thinking about hiring a bookkeeper at some point but a VA would be way cheaper and probably work just as good.

  • Rental Property Investor · Boise/Portland · Member since 2017 · 709 posts · 742 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Brett Sayers:

    @Matthew McNeil that's a great idea! I was thinking about hiring a bookkeeper at some point but a VA would be way cheaper and probably work just as good.

    They're smart and they know what they're doing.  Just make sure they have a degree in accounting and ask them to send you their transcripts. Don't pay by the hour. Pay by the job, or by the month conditioned on what you need done each month.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2017 · 59 posts · 47 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Mary M.:

    As someone who made her living for many years from fixing the messes people made trying to self set up quickbooks, I suggest hiring a pro to do this for you and then to train you how to use it.  However, there are many people that say they know how to use QB but they will only make it a bigger mess.  Your best option is to call your CPA and ask for a referral to someone to help you. 

    The straight up talk answer is that the longer you wait the more it will cost you to get it all untangled :) 

    I gotcha and I am going to be sitting down with the CPA here in a week or so to make sure everything is set up properly, detangle the oddballs, and ensure I am tracking it correctly. The goal in figuring it out now and gathering as much data / working out minor issues is to make the most effective time spent with the CPA at $$$/hr. I don't want to walk in there and look like a bozo saying "show me where to click". It's more about being able to speak intelligently in the room with them and being able to understand some basic concepts. I'm trying to take Algebra I before sitting in on a college TRIG class basically. Thanks for the reply. The words are wise for sure.

  • Rental Property Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2017 · 59 posts · 47 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Bradley Niemiec:

    You don’t create a liability by transferring money from a bank account into a liability account.  That will result in a pay down effect and reduce the liability balance as you are experiencing.  

    The money you are depositing into your bank account as a security deposit should be created “from” the liability hence the debit (deposit) to the bank account/or undeposited funds and the credit (increase) to the liability account.  

    B-Rad. . . You really opened up a barrier I was holding in my mind with this one. Thanks so much. While I'm not 100% on everything, I think I have a grasp on what I can do. I've got the bank account set up as a bank and the SD from the tenant that dropped into the checking coming from the Liability account for that house leaving a balance in the liability. The transfer from checking to the savings account was no issue then. I also set up a sub account for each house like you suggested and it really cleaned up the whole thing. 

    I will probably reach out to you again when it comes to class tracking and returning the SD, or portion there of, to the tenant. I assume it is basically the same process in reverse where the transfer to checking just has a memo on it and the actual check going out would be paying to that Liability account.

    Thanks again. . . A real lightbulb moment there. 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Aliso Viejo, CA · Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 32 votes
    5y

    @Brett Sayers

    I didn’t read all the comments but if no one has said it, get yourself a virtual bookkeeper. Mine charges $150 per month and gas made life easy peasy. For more involved scenarios, maybe 300-400 per month but worth every penny!

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