I have an S-corp. For the majority of 2017, I paid myself outside of payroll ($5K was paid to me thru payroll and $20K were just 'owner withdrawals' - my acc'tant said they must be recorded as "profit distributions").
So, for 2017, I've been left with the following #s:
- S-Corp profit: $10K
- (personal) W2: $5K
- (personal) profit distribution ("earnings"?): $20K
Exactly what will I be paying income taxes on? (I have 100% ownership)
CPA & Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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@Noureen A S. S Corps are pass-through entites. S Corp profit = profit distribution, in terms of taxes (maybe not in terms of cash flow). As the sole owner, all income will be reported on your personal return via the W-2 and K-1 received from the S Corp. If your S Corp profit was $30k after payroll and your wages were $5k, you will be paying income tax at your ordinary rates on $35k (even if you only took $20k of distributions out of the S Corp).
The difference between wages and profit is self-employment tax. Your wages were subject to employment taxes (FICA withheld from your paychecks and remitted by the "employer" + the employer's share of the payroll expenses); however, the excess profit is not and, therefore, escapes SE tax.
Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
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I would assume you already paid taxes and ss/med on the $5k W-2, otherwise it wouldn’t be “W-2”. Assuming so, that leaves $30k taxable, on top of the $5k.
CPA & Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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@Noureen A S. S Corps are pass-through entites. S Corp profit = profit distribution, in terms of taxes (maybe not in terms of cash flow). As the sole owner, all income will be reported on your personal return via the W-2 and K-1 received from the S Corp. If your S Corp profit was $30k after payroll and your wages were $5k, you will be paying income tax at your ordinary rates on $35k (even if you only took $20k of distributions out of the S Corp).
The difference between wages and profit is self-employment tax. Your wages were subject to employment taxes (FICA withheld from your paychecks and remitted by the "employer" + the employer's share of the payroll expenses); however, the excess profit is not and, therefore, escapes SE tax.
Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 215 posts · 42 votes
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@Nicholas Aiola Can you clarify... for your S-Corp's K1, do you retain your profit as ordinary income (Box 1) or distribute everything to yourself (I believe Box 12)? I'm running into a situation where a lender is saying that can only count Box 12, even though I own the S-Corp 100% and any ordinary income is mine.
CPA & Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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@Cliff T. Your Box 1 profits are taxable regardless of the distributions. Box 12 is other deductions; Box 16 includes distributions - this does not affect your taxable income.
Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 215 posts · 42 votes
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Thanks @Nicholas Aiola. Is Box 1 typically included in someone's personal DTI calculation? The ordinary income (Box 1) flows to my personal tax return and I'm paying taxes on it, as you mentioned. However, the lender is saying that income can't be counted towards my DTI since it's the business's income and Not my own. Seems odd to me as I can prove the business has the liquidity and funds to disburse to me at any time.