Bitcoin is 10k again what are you going to do now?

Bitcoin is 10k again what are you going to do now?

Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes

Just curious what other investors think. Is this just another hype deal or is this a new reality for possible rent collection?

Side note, I tried to sell a house for bitcoin in 2013 with no takers or even one response.

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Rental Property Investor · Concord, NC · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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I'd sooner rent to a convicted felon with a 400 credit score, a tattoo on his forehead and a stolen car than deal with Bitcoin.

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  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
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    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    @Eric Carr I notice that you are absolutely excited and focused on the crypto thing. Why? Is it your main investment vehicle? Do you favor it over RE?

     I think it's a fascinating thing, specifically bitcoin. I don't necessarily favor anything over anything. I go where the opportunity is. 
  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
    4y

    ian calderon, another California politician,  has introduced his own bitcoin / crypto bill.  So far it appears similar to the previous one that I posted, whuch would allow people to pay certain government services using crypto. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    @Eric Carr I notice that you are absolutely excited and focused on the crypto thing. Why? Is it your main investment vehicle? Do you favor it over RE?

     Also, the subject of this thread is bitcoin. 
  • Jason B.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Boise, ID · Member since 2017 · 228 posts · 180 votes
    4y

    @Bryan Devitt, I agree.

    I am by no means an expert and I certainly do not have all the answers. However, I do wonder what the future has in store, and from what I’ve seen, it does not look good for bitcoin and the other cryptocurrencies out there. Let me explain.

    I do believe that digital currency is the future and will replace physical currency at some point in the near future. However, every major economic powerhouse out there, the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, Russia, etc. are all in the process of developing their own digital currencies. And if there’s one lesson you can see throughout economic history, it’s that governments don’t like competition. As of right now, it’s actually not illegal to use a currency other than the United States dollar for transactions within the United States. However it will be very simple (and all signs point to it being highly likely) that when the ‘Digital Dollar’ rolls out, this will become part of law, as the other countries are looking at doing the exact same thing.

    Now, some people will say that there’s no way for the governments to regulate bitcoin or the other crypto currencies. This is not true. They may not be able to control the possession of it, but they can certainly control the transfer of it, such as banning the platforms from processing buy/sell commerce transactions in anything other than the ‘Digital Dollar’ and making the reporting of all cryptocurrency transactions legally required by the different platforms that hold it and process it, with massive penalties that would threaten their existence and ability to operate if they don’t. This way, they can implement and enforce a law that all transactions taking place within US commerce must be in the ‘Digital Dollar’. If you have the European Union, the United Kingdom, United States, Australia, etc., all doing the same things, then crypto currencies such as bitcoin will become relatively worthless because you can’t really use them anywhere. Sure, you could maybe go to Zimbabwe and use them or possibly down to El Salvador, but it’s not gonna do you any good if you’re trying to do business in any of the world’s major economies.

    Cryptocurrency is pure speculation. And right now, it seems like it’s one giant game of hot potato. People hold it sell it and buy it in different price points, and admittedly make lots of money in some cases, but at some point the music is going to stop and whoever’s holding the potato when the value drops to near nothing are going to be the losers, and Bitcoin will take its place on the shelf with the horde of limited edition Pogs.

    Of course, I could be completely wrong and way off…

  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Jason B.:

    @Bryan Devitt, I agree.

    I am by no means an expert and I certainly do not have all the answers. However, I do wonder what the future has in store, and from what I’ve seen, it does not look good for bitcoin and the other cryptocurrencies out there. Let me explain.

    I do believe that digital currency is the future and will replace physical currency at some point in the near future. However, every major economic powerhouse out there, the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, Russia, etc. are all in the process of developing their own digital currencies. And if there’s one lesson you can see throughout economic history, it’s that governments don’t like competition. As of right now, it’s actually not illegal to use a currency other than the United States dollar for transactions within the United States. However it will be very simple (and all signs point to it being highly likely) that when the ‘Digital Dollar’ rolls out, this will become part of law, as the other countries are looking at doing the exact same thing.

    Now, some people will say that there’s no way for the governments to regulate bitcoin or the other crypto currencies. This is not true. They may not be able to control the possession of it, but they can certainly control the transfer of it, such as banning the platforms from processing buy/sell commerce transactions in anything other than the ‘Digital Dollar’ and making the reporting of all cryptocurrency transactions legally required by the different platforms that hold it and process it, with massive penalties that would threaten their existence and ability to operate if they don’t. This way, they can implement and enforce a law that all transactions taking place within US commerce must be in the ‘Digital Dollar’. If you have the European Union, the United Kingdom, United States, Australia, etc., all doing the same things, then crypto currencies such as bitcoin will become relatively worthless because you can’t really use them anywhere. Sure, you could maybe go to Zimbabwe and use them or possibly down to El Salvador, but it’s not gonna do you any good if you’re trying to do business in any of the world’s major economies.

    Cryptocurrency is pure speculation. And right now, it seems like it’s one giant game of hot potato. People hold it sell it and buy it in different price points, and admittedly make lots of money in some cases, but at some point the music is going to stop and whoever’s holding the potato when the value drops to near nothing are going to be the losers, and Bitcoin will take its place on the shelf with the horde of limited edition Pogs.

    Of course, I could be completely wrong and way off…


      Governments already have digital currencies. Log into your bank account. Right there. Bitcoin is not a currency. It's digital property. Similar to how gold, it doesn't compete with currencies. 

    What would be the difference between a block chain based government issued currency, and the fiat that you spend using your credit card? Do you believe that any government would create it using a fixed supply? The fed is already pressing buttons and creating digital dollars, and can into infinity.

    The extra scary thing about a block chain based  state issued currency... The government, the IRS, the DOJ, they can all see what you are spending your money on.  You will have no privacy. 

  • Member since 2022 · 6 posts · 3 votes
    4y

    Pretty funny to read the old reply’s here. They did not age well! Haha. Understand it or not, it will be apart of the future. People who missed the boat, resent it. Fact is, the more people who find value in it will keep pushing it up. Supply and demand 101! 

  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
    4y

    I've confirmed that there are 2 separate bills in the state of California that would allow people to pay for government services/fees using bitcoin

    There is a newly introduced bill in the state of state of Utah that would allow citizens of the state to pay taxes using bitcoin

    Brazil senate's economic affairs committee has unanimously passed a bill to regulate bitcoin

     Thailand's stock exchange, the SET, is spinning off some sort of SET digital exchange.  The rules and objectives of this one seem unclear to me at the moment.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Eric Carr:
    You got that right.....And a Digital currency will also give the Govt the ability to shut down what you can buy and where. Want to donate to a cause they don't like? Sorry, nope.... Or, want to buy a new rifle? No can do, your Govt issued currency card won't work at any stores they choose to turn off....
  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Eric Carr:
    You got that right.....And a Digital currency will also give the Govt the ability to shut down what you can buy and where. Want to donate to a cause they don't like? Sorry, nope.... Or, want to buy a new rifle? No can do, your Govt issued currency card won't work at any stores they choose to turn off....
     Exactly. Agreed. Made too many visits to McDonald's? We think you are overweight and unhealthy and will or are stressing the health system. No more McDonald's. 
  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Eric Carr:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Eric Carr:
    You got that right.....And a Digital currency will also give the Govt the ability to shut down what you can buy and where. Want to donate to a cause they don't like? Sorry, nope.... Or, want to buy a new rifle? No can do, your Govt issued currency card won't work at any stores they choose to turn off....
     Exactly. Agreed. Made too many visits to McDonald's? We think you are overweight and unhealthy and will or are stressing the health system. No more McDonald's. 

     There goes liquor stores and bars I guess.......

  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Eric Carr:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Eric Carr:
    You got that right.....And a Digital currency will also give the Govt the ability to shut down what you can buy and where. Want to donate to a cause they don't like? Sorry, nope.... Or, want to buy a new rifle? No can do, your Govt issued currency card won't work at any stores they choose to turn off....
     Exactly. Agreed. Made too many visits to McDonald's? We think you are overweight and unhealthy and will or are stressing the health system. No more McDonald's. 

     There goes liquor stores and bars I guess.......

      Maybe.  Maybe a social credit system will come to reality and someone just won't be able to spend every night at a bar. It would still be technically possible for the government to decide that you drink too much and won't let you spend money at a bar or liquor store

    Even if that doesn't happen, the government will be able to see everything you spend money on. I believe this will worry anyone who values privacy. I pay my housekeeper cash, under-the-table. That's going to be hard to do with any central bank digital currency.  Cash is becoming obsolete. Look at Asia.  I know first hand that no one carries cash in China.  The younger generation uses WeChat, it's all done through a phone. 

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
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    A black market will come forth. Mankind always comes up with a work-around for Govt overreach (At least in the US).....

  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    A black market will come forth. Mankind always comes up with a work-around for Govt overreach (At least in the US).....

     Maybe. The Canadians are using bitcoin at the moment to work around government over reach. 
    I prefer bitcoin over any black market stuff, bitcoin is legal property. But I don't know anyone in the right mind who would use it to buy things..  But someone will

  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
    4y

    Mexican senator proposes a bill to make bitcoin legal tender in Mexico. 

    As I had said before, competing Latin-American countries may be forced to adopt, if it is successful in El Salvador.

  • Member since 2022 · 6 posts · 3 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Eric Carr:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    A black market will come forth. Mankind always comes up with a work-around for Govt overreach (At least in the US).....

     Maybe. The Canadians are using bitcoin at the moment to work around government over reach. 
    I prefer bitcoin over any black market stuff, bitcoin is legal property. But I don't know anyone in the right mind who would use it to buy things..  But someone will

    There are already private coins for this reason. 
  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
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    Quote from @Tyler Diener:
    Correct. Except the scenario that has the Govt using digital currency to control it's subjects, also has them seizing all private money currently in circulation....
  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
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    Quote from @Tyler Diener:
    Quote from @Eric Carr:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    A black market will come forth. Mankind always comes up with a work-around for Govt overreach (At least in the US).....

     Maybe. The Canadians are using bitcoin at the moment to work around government over reach. 
    I prefer bitcoin over any black market stuff, bitcoin is legal property. But I don't know anyone in the right mind who would use it to buy things..  But someone will

    There are already private coins for this reason. 
    Such as Monero. I'm aware. 
  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Tyler Diener:
    Correct. Except the scenario that has the Govt using digital currency to control it's subjects, also has them seizing all private money currently in circulation....
    Maybe.  But don't you believe that privacy coins would be part of the "black market" that you mentioned earlier?

     Do you think that anything that 2 people agree upon can be money? 

    I can see central bank currencies making it difficult to convert Fiat to privacy coins. Or to buy enough of anything to border with. 

    Let's hope that enough people don't want that in their future, at least in our lifetimes, to allow that to happen

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Eric Carr:
    Let's hope we can still have enough power to not allow that to happen....
  • Member since 2022 · 6 posts · 3 votes
    4y

    In my opinion the gov has already missed their chance to ban crypto completely. China has already tried and it’s not going well for them now. It’s now pumping too much money into the economy and too many big players and companies relying on it at this point. Of course, anything is possible, but I just don’t see it at this point.  

  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
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    Quote from @Tyler Diener:

    In my opinion the gov has already missed their chance to ban crypto completely. China has already tried and it’s not going well for them now. It’s now pumping too much money into the economy and too many big players and companies relying on it at this point. Of course, anything is possible, but I just don’t see it at this point.  

      The bank's, hedgefund's, public and private companies, the exchanges, they've got really great lawyers. 
  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
    4y

    Brazils crypto bill, which was unanimously passed Economic Affairs Commission, is moving to the Senate this week, then the Chamber of Deputies, and then the President. The bill would regulate and allow “digital representations of value that can be traded or transferred by electronic means and used to make payments or for investment purposes.”


    BNY Mellon has announced a Digital Assets wing, and a custody product, to be offered later this year.

    I believe the wallet will custody Bitcoin and Ethereum. It will roll out in the US, then globally in line with demand. BNY suggests that it will be the first to enter the global custody market. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
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    A North Vancouver energy company has partnered with mint green, clean Tech bitcoin mining firm. Vancouver will capture the heat produced by bitcoin mining, to heat the city. 
  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
    4y

    Ebay is adding a crypto payment option.

  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes
    4y

    Airbnb is considering accepting bitcoin for  payment 

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