My First mobile home park - Need Guidance

My First mobile home park - Need Guidance

Investor · Tallahassee, FL · Member since 2015 · 9 posts · 3 votes

Here I am going to write what all I did with the exact numbers (in $) and looking for expert comments on overall process and guidance on how to take it forward from here.

In 2020, I bought 59 lots in a mobile homes park (has around 200 total lots so around 140 lots are primarily owned by other individual primary owners) for $430k . This park is in my local area Tallahassee, FL. My buying reasons were:

Positives:

  1. Out of 59 lots, 36 lots had mobile homes ( from 1980’s) but only 18 were occupied.
  2. Area is within city limit, close to a gas station, dollar general, church, bus station. With-in 2-3 miles we have 2 big university with around 75000 students combined. 70-75% jobs are related to either university or various government departments. City has around 300k populations and population growth is 3-4%.
  3. All the lots have city water and sewer, but road is private. City road ends at park entrance.
  4. Considering the land price, infrastructure setup cost each lot cost was coming around $7300 which was very attractive even though most of the houses on them were old and needed good repairs.
  5. All other lots except the 59 were in considerable good condition and our due diligence showed that whole park value is going down due to these 59 lots mismanagement for 40 years.
  6. As per owner rent collections were around $7200 per month and most of the tenants were very long term (average rent $400 per home) which he receives in cash so bank rolls available to validate.
  7. As per our estimate, each house needed 7k to 8k repair to make it livable.

Negatives:

  1. These homes/lots were owned by same owner for 40 years and he neglected everything which includes tenant quality, infrastructure (such as overgrown trees, bad homes still in the park which should have been removed years back, 3ft- 4ft potholes on the road since its privately owned).
  2. Most of the tenants were convicted or had some big felony, these houses were famous for drugs cartels in whole city.

After buying we realized things were way worse than what we assumed in due diligence:

  1. People staying there actually were involved in gang wars, prostitution, drugs etc. Crime was way more than it was shown in city database as most of the things were never reported.
  2. Actual rent collection was only $4200 by 18 tenants
  3. Park had very bad repo in area (Which was known to us)

What we did after buying:

  1. Worked on road (new milling road), removed extra trees, cleaned 40-50 dumpster of trash.
  2. Worked with city development agencies to remove bad tenants via evictions or stationed police officers on weekend to deteriorate drug traffic, incentivized good tenants to provide us video /call cops with videos so that cops visits are frequent.
  3. Removed bad homes and brought in 7-8 newer homes from other parks.
  4. Repaired around 19 houses in last 18 months and brought up average rent $680 per home. As of today, total rented houses are 28 with around $19000 monthly rents.
  5. Park repo improved, and average time to rent a house now is 2-3 days. Our tenant’s selection criteria are No eviction, No felony in last 7 years and household income at least $2500. All tenants are on lease and now there is almost zero crime.
  6. Our repair cost assumption was wrong, and we ended up spending $15-$18k on each house to repair and bring it to rental condition.
  7. After buying, we have spent around another $475k to bring the income from $4200 to $19000 and for various cleanups.

Currently, I have following issues:

  1. On an average, we are having around 15% evictions and around 30-35% tenants do not pay before 5th as stated in lease, but they do pay with late fees and lot of follow-ups. This increases management cost.

So my question to experts are:

  1. In overall process. What mistakes I made or things which could have been done better?
  2. This place still has around 5-6 homes which needs to be repaired and rented, and around 21 empty lots which needs home. Any idea to get homes cheaper considering I can’t get more than $750 so buying brand new home may not be a good idea.
  3. How can I reduce eviction rate and bring tenants to pay by 5th of every month (I am thinking about selling the homes to residents and collect lot rent but most of the residents can’t afford to $12k outright for homes and I am not sure rent to own or owner financing is allowed for 28 homes by government). Lot rent in the area would be $375.
  4. Any other way to increase income?
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  • Brenden MitchumBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 872 votes
    4y

    Hey Sandeep, welcome to the BP community!

    I'll be honest, I am quite confused here. Please clarify. You did not buy a mobile home park but rather some lots in a larger park, right? So, you do actually own the land or just the homes? Did you purchase one parcel of a larger multi-parcel park or is each lot it's own parcel?

    Just want to fully understand the situation before I provide any advice!

  • Investor · Tallahassee, FL · Member since 2015 · 9 posts · 3 votes
    4y

    Thank you for looking into it Brenden.

    This park was built in 1970 with around 200 lots and sold to individual owners. Out of those 200 lots, I bought 59 lots so on these 59 lots I own land as well as mobile homes (Even though out of 59 lots, only 36 lots have mobile home at this time). With city they are registered as individual lot but all my lots are together so you can say they are part of big parcel.

    Thanks, Sandeep

  • Brenden MitchumBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 872 votes
    4y

    @Sandeep Tyagi thanks for the explanation!

    So, you essentially own 59 mobile homes on their own lots. This is not a park, nor is it one parcel. Sounds like 59 different parcels. That makes this situation very difficult. This isn't much different than you buying 59 stick builts in a development of 200 homes. Except your homes don't appreciate like stick built homes. 

    If it wasn't for your inability to control the homes around you, I would say you just start evicting everyone who is not paying, breaking the law or not following park rules. This would get out the bad tenants and allow you to start over. Obviously, your tenant screening would need to be rock solid to keep out folks like the ones you evicted. 

    The problem here is that you might not be able to find decent folks to live there if it's still a considered unsafe due to the other homes. You might be able to hire an off duty police officer or two but not sure if that will solve this.. The only real solution I see here is to find a way to buy the rest of the lots or sell yours. You can't fix location, unless you own it.

  • Accountant · Tallahassee, FL · Member since 2016 · 36 posts · 14 votes
    4y

    I'm curious... are you scared that since you are kicking out tenants that are in gang wars, they won't come after you? Also, is this in the Crawfordville/Wakulla area? It's the only place I can think of that is that dangerous. I don't think we have any gangs in the Tallahassee City limits. I grew up in Tallahassee and I've been here for almost 30 years. 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Tallahassee, FL · Member since 2014 · 463 posts · 237 votes
    4y

    @Sandeep Tyagi hey there, I think I know where you’re talking about. You asked if you could have done anything better at the start. Knowing the actual figures from a rent roll would have been nice. Bank statements can be fudged to make something better than it is. Also, know the area you are buying. It’s one thing to have a lot of late payers but gangs, drugs, felons could make a good book but could seriously damage your health. All that being said, it sounds like you’ve done a really great job turning a s#%t show into a nicer place to live.

    So you have 59 lots how about you partner up with a few mobile home movers. Let them use some lots to store their repossessed homes. You could buy some of them or charge a storage fee for letting them stay there. Also as tenants move out find other people who can afford to buy the mobiles and then move them in. Good luck in your endeavours.

  • Investor · Tallahassee, FL · Member since 2015 · 9 posts · 3 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Alexander Johnosn:

    I'm curious... are you scared that since you are kicking out tenants that are in gang wars, they won't come after you? Also, is this in the Crawfordville/Wakulla area? It's the only place I can think of that is that dangerous. I don't think we have any gangs in the Tallahassee City limits. I grew up in Tallahassee and I've been here for almost 30 years. 


     Lol.. No i am not afraid/scared of dealing with any kind of people.. Actually we have already done it and park is crime free now (Unfortunately the park i am talking about it is in Tallahassee city limit). During the process, we had to make sure that communication was always open with those people so that they don't feel threatened by us. i used to meet them once in 15 days to explain our concerns why we are doing it.. after first 1-2 meetings, once they understood our situation and realized how professional we were in communicating... things went easy. Most of the people left by themselves after 2-3 months and rest we evicted.

  • Investor · Tallahassee, FL · Member since 2015 · 9 posts · 3 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Tim Hall:

    @Sandeep Tyagi hey there, I think I know where you’re talking about. You asked if you could have done anything better at the start. Knowing the actual figures from a rent roll would have been nice. Bank statements can be fudged to make something better than it is. Also, know the area you are buying. It’s one thing to have a lot of late payers but gangs, drugs, felons could make a good book but could seriously damage your health. All that being said, it sounds like you’ve done a really great job turning a s#%t show into a nicer place to live.

    So you have 59 lots how about you partner up with a few mobile home movers. Let them use some lots to store their repossessed homes. You could buy some of them or charge a storage fee for letting them stay there. Also as tenants move out find other people who can afford to buy the mobiles and then move them in. Good luck in your endeavours.


     Thanks Tim, We asked for actual figure and bank statements etc (I also own around 80 apartment units so had little buying experience from there) but unfortunately owner didn't have anything. When we asked him for these documents, he even said that in 40 years he never deposited any rent money in bank (I think its the norm with mom and pop mobile home owners). We did research on area and we knew there are bad elements but i think we underestimated the problem (You know mind plays with us when we have already decided to do something especially when you have overconfidence on yourself ). In the past, i bought few apartment complexes and revived them so i thought i can do it here as well but it wasn't as easy as working in those apartments at a smaller scale  :(

    Thanks for giving me inputs about repossessed homes, never thought about it. I will do some research as i have to see what if they bring trash homes or don't clean the trash they create... i don't want to create management headache. Regarding selling homes, i am working on it and able to sell 4 homes in last one month with rent to own option... so lets see how it goes.

  • Investor · Tallahassee, FL · Member since 2015 · 9 posts · 3 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Sandeep Tyagi:
    Quote from @Tim Hall:

    @Sandeep Tyagi hey there, I think I know where you’re talking about. You asked if you could have done anything better at the start. Knowing the actual figures from a rent roll would have been nice. Bank statements can be fudged to make something better than it is. Also, know the area you are buying. It’s one thing to have a lot of late payers but gangs, drugs, felons could make a good book but could seriously damage your health. All that being said, it sounds like you’ve done a really great job turning a s#%t show into a nicer place to live.

    So you have 59 lots how about you partner up with a few mobile home movers. Let them use some lots to store their repossessed homes. You could buy some of them or charge a storage fee for letting them stay there. Also as tenants move out find other people who can afford to buy the mobiles and then move them in. Good luck in your endeavours.


     Thanks Tim, We asked for actual figure and bank statements etc (I also own around 80 apartment units so had little buying experience from there) but unfortunately owner didn't have anything. When we asked him for these documents, he even said that in 40 years he never deposited any rent money in bank (I think its the norm with mom and pop mobile home owners). We did research on area and we knew there are bad elements but i think we underestimated the problem (You know mind plays with us when we have already decided to do something especially when you have overconfidence on yourself ). In the past, i bought few apartment complexes and revived them so i thought i can do it here as well but it wasn't as easy as working in those apartments at a smaller scale  :(

    Thanks for giving me inputs about repossessed homes, never thought about it. I will do some research as i have to see what if they bring trash homes or don't clean the trash they create... i don't want to create management headache. Regarding selling homes, i am working on it and able to sell 4 homes in last one month with rent to own option... so lets see how it goes.

    Can you please provide me some tenant screening tips for mobile homes as most of the processes we follow have worked for us in apartment building but those rules doesn't apply here.. such as having good credit erc. What other folks look for especially to rent/sell mobile homes?

  • Investor · Tallahassee, FL · Member since 2015 · 9 posts · 3 votes
    4y

    Can anyone please provide me some tenant screening tips for mobile homes as most of the processes we follow have worked for us in apartment building but those rules doesn't apply here.. such as having good credit erc. What other folks look for especially to rent/sell mobile homes?

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