Tenant catches stove on fire then wants us to get another one.

Tenant catches stove on fire then wants us to get another one.

Joe S.Pro Member
Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes

We have a property that’s being managed by a PM and has a tenant that wants another stove. We placed a brand new higher end stove in there right before the tenant moved in. Now the tenant is saying that it caught fire and wants us to give them another one. New stoves typically don’t catch fire unless somebody has put something inside and hasn’t watched what they’re cooking correctly.
I tried to explain this to the property manager and it’s simply easier for them to try to pressure me into getting another stove. I feel a little shafted in the sense that not only did tenant ruin my brand new stove, but Somehow it’s being insinuated that is landlord’s fault.

The tenant then told Property Manager that they thinks it’s from rats chewing wires in the back. Again, logic says if a wire was cut  the stove would not work not simply the stove caught on fire inside the oven park while it was in use.

I instructed the PM to buy a used stove and to have the tenant sign that it is a courtesy, and if this one breaks it’s up to them to replace it with a stove or their choice at their cost. I have not heard back from the p.m. yet. 
Has anyone ran into an issue like this and how can we do better going forward?

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Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
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1. Your PM sucks. Their responsibility is to protect your interests while treating the Tenant honestly and fairly. They are siding with the Tenant without evidence.

2. Location of the fire would determine the truth. I would investigate and see if the fire came from the wiring or if it originated inside the oven or on the stove top. I would only pay if the evidence showed it was an electrical fire.

If you can't investigate, just buy a used stove and move forward. Then start looking for a new PM that understands their responsibility as your fiduciary.
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  • Austin, TX · Member since 2019 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    3y

    (IMO) It is unlikely "Rats" chewed anything.

    Though it might be intelligent to have your pest control person come out and look for evidence of the creatures.

    If it's found...remediate it.

    If not re-assure the renter and family that there are no rats getting inside.

    Possums, and cats under the houses, dogs running loose in the roads--a poor rat wouldn't have much of a chance.

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    If they are seeing these guys (pic below), they are not rats, they are possums.

    They sleep in the trees and will go under houses to eat their favorite food--cockroaches (or cat food if they can find it).

    They roll up in a ball and play dead sometimes...but have sharp teeth, and are not a pet--just a part of San Antonio wildlife like a squirrel or the birds.

    The cats leave them alone and will share food with them.

    I've not known of any who burrowed into a house like a rat to get food--they eat bugs.

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    Good Luck!

  • Joe S.Pro Member
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    Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    Quote from @Scott Mac:

    (IMO) It is unlikely "Rats" chewed anything.

    Though it might be intelligent to have your pest control person come out and look for evidence of the creatures.

    If it's found...remediate it.

    If not re-assure the renter and family that there are no rats getting inside.

    Possums, and cats under the houses, dogs running loose in the roads--a poor rat wouldn't have much of a chance.

    =========

    If they are seeing these guys (pic below), they are not rats, they are possums.

    They sleep in the trees and will go under houses to eat their favorite food--cockroaches (or cat food if they can find it).

    They roll up in a ball and play dead sometimes...but have sharp teeth, and are not a pet--just a part of San Antonio wildlife like a squirrel or the birds.

    The cats leave them alone and will share food with them.

    I've not known of any who burrowed into a house like a rat to get food--they eat bugs.

    .

    Good Luck!

    Possums look meaner than they actually are. When I was a bit younger  and more daring, I picked up a possum from a live trap by the tail. Another occasion I held a possum that I caught in a live trap and the possum did not try to bite me.  

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    @Joe S. if it just caught fire is it under warranty? The repair guy will tell you. Has anyone looked at the stove? 

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Quote from @Colleen F.:

    @Joe S. if it just caught fire is it under warranty? The repair guy will tell you. Has anyone looked at the stove? 


     This was my thought as well.  Call in a warranty claim and the repair person will either say it is covered or tell you what was done to cause the warranty to break.  I had a samsung stove that had the glass shatter after 6 months.  I called and let them know I didn’t know why it broke but they sent someone out to replace it free.  Very easy and fast.  If it was their fault you can file a claim on their renters insurance to recoup some of the costs

  • Investor · Clairemont, CA · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    A picture tells a thousand words...this stove is either burnt in the back/underneath where the wires are, or it is inside/on top where you cook. So which is it?

  • Joe S.Pro Member
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    Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    Quote from @Colleen F.:

    @Joe S. if it just caught fire is it under warranty? The repair guy will tell you. Has anyone looked at the stove? 


     The PM was the one that bought it for me originally and they said the warranty was out.

  • Investor · Akron, OH · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    All my leases say any replacement appliances will be the make, model and type of my choosing. Decisions regarding whether to repair or replace are yours, not the tenants. Have someone take pictures of the stove. If the fire appears to be due to tenant negligence then I would charge them for the replacement or repair. Some people really have a lot of nerve. 

  • New to Real Estate · Acworth GA · Member since 2023 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    3y

    Serious question, why cant you make the renter pay you for the new stove like take it out of there security deposit or something? Do you need to prove it to them that they broke it?

  • Joe S.Pro Member
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    Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    Quote from @John Patrohay:

    Serious question, why cant you make the renter pay you for the new stove like take it out of there security deposit or something? Do you need to prove it to them that they broke it?

     The property is being managed by a property manager. I doubt seriously the PM even went to the property to look at the stove. When a property is managed by PM any bill that can be passed on to the landlord to avoid a confrontation with the tenant seems to be the normal mode of operation.🥺

    ( there’s probably a few property managers that don’t do what I described above, but they have never manage properties for me yet. Lol.)

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Aloha,

    You need to determine exactly what "caught fire" means. Last I checked, Stoves are metal and do not burn. A coil element can go bad and arc electrically. Wiring within the stove might short out and arc. A Glass top stove cannot burn. It might shatter. FOOD Burns. Flammable materials left on a stove top that is accidentally turned on Burns. Be sure to get photos inside and out including under the stove burners if the top lifts up so you can attempt to figure out what happened. PM should have done so immediately on notification of the incident, before any cover-up is attempted.

    Do you need to replace it? YES...first make a claim on the Renter's insurance policy. Oh, wait, probably don't have insurance. Then yes, buy a comparable unit, and depending on your actual findings of cause, offer the Tenant a three month payment plan, or just eat it if it was an internal wiring issue. Clearly the PM did not buy you a "brand new high end stove", and is a pushover for Tenants. Fire him now. Find someone actually qualified to be a PM.
  • New to Real Estate · Acworth GA · Member since 2023 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    3y
    Quote from @Joe S.:
    Quote from @John Patrohay:

    Serious question, why cant you make the renter pay you for the new stove like take it out of there security deposit or something? Do you need to prove it to them that they broke it?

    Seems like you are getting the short stick

     The property is being managed by a property manager. I doubt seriously the PM even went to the property to look at the stove. When a property is managed by PM any bill that can be passed on to the landlord to avoid a confrontation with the tenant seems to be the normal mode of operation.🥺

    ( there’s probably a few property managers that don’t do what I described above, but they have never manage properties for me yet. Lol.)


  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
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    1. Your PM sucks. Their responsibility is to protect your interests while treating the Tenant honestly and fairly. They are siding with the Tenant without evidence.

    2. Location of the fire would determine the truth. I would investigate and see if the fire came from the wiring or if it originated inside the oven or on the stove top. I would only pay if the evidence showed it was an electrical fire.

    If you can't investigate, just buy a used stove and move forward. Then start looking for a new PM that understands their responsibility as your fiduciary.
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