[Erie - CO] Being a great landlord is easy? What am I missing?

[Erie - CO] Being a great landlord is easy? What am I missing?

Ryan DenmanPro Member
Erie, CO · Member since 2018 · 44 posts · 14 votes

I've managed two rentals for the past 6 years and things have been pretty smooth sailing. I keep the units up very well, respond quickly to maintenance requests, and treat my tenants as valued guests. It only takes a min of scrolling through the sub to find that it can be very different.

I've thought of trying to expand my rentals, or do something else in the realm of property management, but don't want to get blindsided by something I have not seen.

How does the landlord-tenant relationship turn sour? What can be done to prevent or fix it when it does?

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Real Estate Agent · Colorado | stan.store/JamesCarlson · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
1y

Great question.

A few ways I see it go wrong for us and for some of our STR and MTR clients here in Colorado. (Not an exhaustive list, I'm sure.)

Vetting
The best offense is a good defense. (Sorry, sports cliche.) Best way to avoid problems with tenants is to get good tenants up front. Back ground checks, financials checks, references checks. Sounds like you've done a good job of this. Also, set your standards for credit scores and other metrics and don't waiver. 

Tenant treatment
Love that you said you treat your tenants as valued guests. Too many tenant-haters on BP, in my opinion. They are paying your damn bills. I am grateful to be in a privileged position to have rentals at all. In my experience if you treat them with respect and kindness and give in on easy requests, you'll curry favor and avoid future problems.

Pushing the price
This may be more about short-term rentals and midterm rentals, but I think trying to squeeze out the most of a rental can lead to guest/tenant expectations that lead to conflicts.

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  • Real Estate Agent · Colorado | stan.store/JamesCarlson · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1y

    Great question.

    A few ways I see it go wrong for us and for some of our STR and MTR clients here in Colorado. (Not an exhaustive list, I'm sure.)

    Vetting
    The best offense is a good defense. (Sorry, sports cliche.) Best way to avoid problems with tenants is to get good tenants up front. Back ground checks, financials checks, references checks. Sounds like you've done a good job of this. Also, set your standards for credit scores and other metrics and don't waiver. 

    Tenant treatment
    Love that you said you treat your tenants as valued guests. Too many tenant-haters on BP, in my opinion. They are paying your damn bills. I am grateful to be in a privileged position to have rentals at all. In my experience if you treat them with respect and kindness and give in on easy requests, you'll curry favor and avoid future problems.

    Pushing the price
    This may be more about short-term rentals and midterm rentals, but I think trying to squeeze out the most of a rental can lead to guest/tenant expectations that lead to conflicts.

  • Ryan DenmanPro Member
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    Erie, CO · Member since 2018 · 44 posts · 14 votes
    1y

    @James Carlson take no offense at the following question...but do you use AI to write your posts?  Bold formatting is something that my experimental post writing always has.  If you do use AI to help write your posts, how do you train it to speak in you vernacular?

    • Real Estate Consultant · Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2017 · 354 posts · 386 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ryan Denman:

      @James Carlson take no offense at the following question...but do you use AI to write your posts?  Bold formatting is something that my experimental post writing always has.  If you do use AI to help write your posts, how do you train it to speak in you vernacular?

      EDIT: I wrote from my wife's computer, so it posted as her.

      No offense taken, and no, I dont use AI. I was a journalist for years before becoming a realtor. I just usually think in headings.

  • Rental Property Investor · The Vampire State · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1y

    What @James Carlson said can minimize any problems, but to be honest you have an extremely small sample size.  If you grow your portfolio, you will eventually encounter difficulties like you read on here.  Many of the folks post on BP looking for advice on their challenges, not to boast about their successes, you it creates the illusion that most of landlording is fraught with problems.  Kinda like the opposite of "your Facebook life."

  • Ryan DenmanPro Member
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    Erie, CO · Member since 2018 · 44 posts · 14 votes
    1y

    @Wesley W. quite right.  While having problems is a natural part of growth, I'd like to mitigate as much as I can by learning from others experience.  Standing on the shoulders of giants, so to speak.

  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    1y

    A few things: I'm guessing in addition to the small sample size, your two rentals are also in desirable locations and either Class A or Class B properties? Probably SFR's in CO?

    We've had a range of different class properties in our portfolio at different times and I can tell you that the experience of managing a Class A or B SFR in the Front Range is nothing compared to managing a Class C or D MF building, or even a SFR in a bad location.

    Also if you've been doing it for the past 6 years, the market has been in your favor in a big way. Operating when values and rents are going down and tenants are having a hard time paying their rent is quite a different experience. 

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    1y

    Do you also get along easily with ALL your family members?

    How about friends?

    Neighbors?

    Coworkers?

    If you interact with enough people, you'll eventually encounter someone you can't make happy.

  • David PeschioBusiness Member
    Richmond, VA · Member since 2019 · 358 posts · 181 votes
    1y

    You've highlighted a really important aspect of property management – even though things often run without a hitch, we all know that difficult situations with certain tenants are bound to come up.
    It can be so challenging to deal with tenants who have unreasonable demands or who don't pay their rent. Some might expect instant repairs at all hours, ask for upgrades that weren't part of the lease, or argue about every little thing. These issues can definitely wear you down.
    Another common area of conflict is the security deposit when a tenant moves out. Often, tenants expect to get the full amount back, no matter what condition the property is in. On the other hand, landlords have to deduct costs for cleaning, repairs, and any damage beyond normal wear and tear. If there isn't clear documentation of the property's condition at the beginning and end of the tenancy, it can easily turn into a heated disagreement.
    While it's sometimes impossible to avoid these situations entirely, the best approach is always to be consistent in your management practices.

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    1y

    When a resident...

    Squats in your place without paying tens of thousands in rent during the eviction moratorium while working the whole time.

    Leaves a unit destroyed with holes in the walls, doors and counters busted, trash and animal feces everywhere, and appliances rotten.

    People can be nasty and selfish.  They are the exception and not the norm but time, higher volume, and property class impact the probability of challenges (in any business).

  • Andrew SyriosPro Member
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    Residential Real Estate Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    1y

    They're unlikely to turn sour if you do the things you've mentioned (which not everyone does unfortunately). Still, if someone stops paying or communicating, evictions can be very messy. Or if a tenant damages a property and doesn't want to pay or a maintenance job goes sideways, these can all be huge headaches. 

    But I think it can really get tough mentally as you start to scale. That's when you have to rely on others to get the job done and sometimes have arguments with tenants or contractors without having been there. But if you are respectful, rent out good properties and respond to maintenance orders quickly, most of the time, it will be smooth sailing as you say. 

  • Adam BartomeoBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    - Treat them fairly and have a clear lease that spells out both the tenant and landlords obligations.

    - Fix maintenance concerns properly and in a timely manner

    - Always act courteously and kindly no matter the tenants disposition

  • Realtor · Oklahoma City · Member since 2020 · 258 posts · 139 votes
    1y

     Always maintaining good communication with the tenants, and following your standards during the leasing is very important to ensure that you have a smooth sailing ship.

    I like @James Carlson's post & summarized it very well.

    I think maintaining a good sense of boundaries are always good too. Getting referrals from your prior tenants can always help & decrease the amount of time in between vacancies.

    Usually situations can get sour when things go neglected, handled wrong, bad communication through a particular situation, etc. I think staying on top of inspections, whether quarterly, semi annual or annual is a great way to maintain the property. You can follow the Landlord on Autopilot book tips & tricks. Usually if something turns bad, being empathetic & understanding is great.

    If you are thinking about expanding, eventually you will probably run into leasing issues eventually. Always try to stay consistent with all marketing, screening, processes & following the standard for fair housing/equal opportunity to try not to discriminate.

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    1y

    @Ryan Denman  Lots of reasons, not all in your power to change.

    Things you can't change: the relationship goes sour because the tenants life goes south and they are just mad at everyone. They lose a job, health turns south etc. Your repairs take more time than they think they should or multiple repairs hit at once.        You can fix on time, you can be responsive but the fact is repairs can take time.   So not every time it goes south can it be prevented.    The electric got knocked off my building and I gave the tenants a concession, I didn't have to, it wasn't my fault but hey after 3 electric free days I did.  for some that kept it good, for some they still felt I should have done more. 

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