How Quick do you price drop your rental listings?

How Quick do you price drop your rental listings?

Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes

I list my properties in MLS and also do rental open houses 2x/week. I have a newer rental property that I rented out for the first time last year, in July, got it rented in 2 weeks for $1600. This year, listed it August 1st for $1650 after looking at comps, got only 1 app from someone that didn't work out, so 11 days in on August 11th dropped the price to $1599, got WAY more MLS showings (24 in total scheduled which probably means 12 actual showings), 2 paid for applications we had to deny, 2 applications that have yet to have an app fee paid, one of which I am not crazy about because they just want to rent for a year and then buy a house, the other is a long term renter who's agent says he is notoriously hard to get a hold of so I doubt I will get the app fee soon from him. No more agent showings scheduled. Just dropped the price today,9 days since the last drop, to $1575. Losing a month rent is a bigger hit than losing $25-$100/mo less over a year. Since I'm in Chicago, I am nervous about getting more into the slower rental season. So far we've always gotten a ton of foot traffic during the open houses. I have checked Zillow, Trulia, Craiglist, MLS...inventory of 3 bedroom rentals appears low. Ours is in tiptop shape too, some people say it's like brand new since we just repainted and recarpeted.

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Investor · Middletown, NJ · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
12y

I've also listed properties at $5 or so below the next big price point - like $995 instead of $1000.

I will drop the price in the first few days if there are no calls/email at all. Once the calls start regularly, I know I'm at the right price. If I get a strong candidate, and they ask for a reduction, I may go down $25 or so; $50 if it's a harder area to find good tenants.

The PITA factor can't be ignored. If they have a list of issues when they first see the place, it won't get any better once they move in.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Norwalk, CT · Member since 2013 · 276 posts · 147 votes
    12y
    Joe Gore yes, CT law allows for three months up front. You can call it what you want, first last one month security, first and two month security, etc but 3 months is the limit. Unless you rent to elderly which I believe you are more limited.
  • St Thomas, Ontario · Member since 2013 · 575 posts · 408 votes
    12y

    Application fees won't fly in my jurisdiction, so that decision is made for me. I would not charge them anyway: any friction point that gives a renter any kind of pause is something I want to get rid of ASAP.  Process the applications and swallow the cost of credit checks. This is worth it in terms of broadening the applicant pool and increasing your chances.

    I know when you are renting and things aren't going well it can be a pretty lonely place. I would avoid panic however. Gradual price decreases, revised ads, and querying prospects at showings as to how your place compares to others seem to be prudent steps.

    I agree with the other posters on the tenant with the list of issues. You know very little about people when you decide on whether to approve them or not. Pay very close attention to all of your interactions with them. Our worst ever tenant was rude and badly behaved at a meeting before moving day. When we did the move in inspection I had a check ready to refund all his money and cancel the contract. He was well behaved at the inspection so I let him in. Big mistake! Rude, aggressive and nasty to the core. I could have saved a lot of difficulty by following my gut during the application process and refusing him. Lesson learned, if it is a choice between one month's vacancy and having a difficult tenant I'll take the vacancy any day.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    12y

    Thanks @Bill S. and @Account Closed for the clarifications. @John Weidner it is a SFH #

    08698153 schools here in the burbs started this week which I think is a big issue. The tenant with the demands has a realtor I stopped communicating with; they know what I need and if they want to keep trying to negotiate everything I am not interested in repeating myself. @Stephen E. thanks for the input; Invitation Homes, the rental arm of Blackstone that is snapping up single families is the biggest competitor here in the rental space. They charge what we charge for the application, and from what I can see in MLS they have no problems getting stuff renting. We did just change screening companies to one that charges less so I think we should charge less than Invitation Homes going forward. I have toured the competition, but that was in July before we got the carpet in here. Stuff obviously not as good as this place went for more than what we are asking in July.

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y

    @Kimberly H.,

    What are your requirements in your lease or month to month?

    Joe Gore

  • Involved In Real Estate · Austin, TX · Member since 2014 · 65 posts · 9 votes
    12y

    @Kimberly H. From the sounds of it, you're doing everything right.  I know others have mentioned price, but are you "best price best value" for the neighborhood?  Typically when that is the case, it doesn't take long.

  • Rental Property Investor · Las Palmas de Gran Canaria · Member since 2014 · 220 posts · 256 votes
    12y

    @Kimberly H. First off, it sounds like you are doing the right things. While it is uncommon to flip a quarter and get heads 10x in a row, it can happen. Sometimes, you just don't have the right person walk through.

    I tend to do 2 - 3 showings between rent drops. A lot of it is based upon the conversations I have with folks, and what the competition is priced at. Typically, that means a drop about every 1.5 - 2 weeks, but have rarely had to do it more than twice.

    I have a rental in an upscale highly in demand neighborhood that I had to turn over this year in march as our long-term tenants bought a house. They even had 2 months left on the least, and were going to pay. Not the perfect time of the year, but historically it was manageable. I priced it high, but not absurd to see what would happen. Had some walkthroughs but no one bit. I lowered the price from 3050 to 2975 to see if it had an impact. Next open house had the same number of walkthroughs. The crazy thing, I had the ONLY 3br for rent in the town that week on craigs list. I had to travel on business for a couple weeks and asked a buddy to show it, and he got nothing while I was gone. I returned the first week of April, held an open house, listed it at 2950, was bumrushed and ended up getting my choice of good tenants who actually bid it back up to 3050. Go figure. I don't think the price has anything to do with it.

    One thing I have been doing is offering a one time discount for a 2 year lease. ie. Save $200 on the first months rent on a 2yr lease. All but one of my tenants took that deal.

    I have also had really good luck canvasing the neighborhood (I got door to door) and asking people if they have any friends that are thinking of moving and they would be excited to live near by. Often 1/3 of my initial open house is people trying to convince friends to be neighbors. =)

    The other detail I have noticed is photography. When I invested in a professional photographer to stage and take pictures of my units, my attendance and rental conversion increased noticeable. I now make that part of my purchase process for any hold.

    Best of luck!

  • Jerry W.Pro Member
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    Investor · Thermopolis, WY · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y

    @Kimberly H.  thanks for starting this thread.  I have had many of my rentals come open this summer and due to lack of time to fix them up and lack of help to hire it out to, I have not gotten them rented out before August 1, my normal target date.  School has started and so I will also not have my targeted class of school teachers looking anymore.  I have 2 properties that need at least 40 or more hours of rehab in order to rent.  I tested them earlier this summer to see if they could be rented with needing new flooring, paint, and lots of cleaning with no luck.  To make matters worse I close on a 3 house deal in 2 days that will need cleaning and paint and renting.  The answers to your post have helped me evaluate my position.  I actually fell asleep at the computer and woke up to find your thread.  Never enough hours in the day for landlords.

    One thing I would like to add to your other posts.  I have found it is better to be a bit below market rate in my area.  If your rent is too high sometimes you get only desperate tenants who did not get what they could afford, and they end up getting in trouble either money or other things and end up being a big problem.  A lower rent allows you to skim off the cream of the crop.  Good luck on renting.

  • Portland, ME · Member since 2012 · 616 posts · 550 votes
    12y

    If you don't charge a fee for a background check, you will get every loser in the state applying for your rental!  What I do is advertise that the $25 background report fee will be credited to their first month's rent.  I explain to the applicant that if anything they've listed on my application is found to be untrue, that their application will be rejected.  I look for previous addresses that are on the credit report but aren't on the application.

  • Bedford, NH · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Honestly it seems like your problem is that you are only willing to consider tenants who will stay for multiple years.  While that is nice if you can get it, I don't know that the combination of good income/good credit/won't move out to buy a home is terribly common.

  • Real Estate Investor · Fort Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2014 · 158 posts · 100 votes
    12y

    I always charge an application fee. In my opinion, if someone doesn't want to pay $100 for their application then they likely aren't that serious. It costs money to run a tenant screening, so I'm not going to waste my own dollars on someone who isn't serious in the first place. 

    @Kimberly H. Don't be shy about letting prospective tenants know how popular your listing has been - you have to instill some sense of urgency into the situation and let them know it may not be available by the end of the day. If people think they have all the time in the world then you're going to have a tough time getting them to sign the paperwork. You do need to use some pressure - most people do not like making decisions, and need help to do so. Just because you convinced them that your place is better than the others on the market doesn't mean they're going to leave one year later. Especially if you provide excellent service as their landlord. 

    It also helps to make a note of all the objections prospective applicants give you when they come see the rental (the bathroom is too small, or it's not an easy walk to work etc), then take some time to think of good ways to overcome these objections when the next person brings them up. In general there will be less than 10 objections that come up over and over again - know how to settle these in the prospect's mind and you'll be able to sell them on the rental. Classic sales stuff, but it works :D

    Good luck!

  • Joey NakayamaPro Member
    Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 129 posts · 68 votes
    12y

    Great thread. I'll second what others have said about removing as much friction from the process as possible for prospective tenants. Using SmartMove to handle applications and application fees has worked very well for me — https://www.mysmartmove.com

    I'll also second what @Shane Pearlman noted on photography. A little staging and a decent DSLR with a wide angle lens has worked wonders for my listings — especially on a channel like craigslist where dark, blurry shots of someone's laundry on a bed seems to be closer to the norm...

    Best of luck!

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    12y

    This is all good advice. I have a wide angle camera and do some light staging of the kitchen and baths. The place is clean-freak spotless. I can't charge nothing for application because I would literally have so many unqualified people applying it would be insane, but going forward based on the feedback here, we are going to reduce what we charge for the application.

     I get what you are saying by being the best value in town, to do that we would need to drop it to $1525 which will take me a few days to get my brain around since I rented it last year July for $1600 and this year the place has all new carpet and is fully painted, last year we didn’t paint everything and the carpet in a couple rooms was kind of worn.

     I think the biggest problem is something I don't control: The city does rental licensing (only 1 city we are in doesn't, another city we are in just started rental licensing last year;it’s pretty prevelant around here) and they all limit occupancy based on bedroom sizes, so they limit this house to 5 people. We have 3 bedrooms but since the smallest isn't 100 sq ft they limit that room to 1person. Last year when we rented it in two weeks, we did have to reject some groups of 6 before they even applied since we ask prequalifying questions before taking people’s app fees including "how many will live here". Well, this time it's been listed longer therefore I have more data and we again got groups of 6 wanting to rent that we had to reject. Related to that, it's a raised ranch, the lower level has a huge rec room, with about 30% of it separated off with a half-wall. I was planning when I got it rented last year to each next renewal to do an 11 month lease to gradually move renewal month earlier in the year so I could add the lower level bedroom next time we turned the unit (we would have to move the wall out bit) and increase our occupancy to 6 (it's already got an egress window and the 2nd bath is on that level. Making it big enough for 2 people would take away to much of the rec room area we think…maybe that will be another post to gather opinions on that), but if I had done that this year then I wouldn't have gotten it onto the rental market until even later in the year so we didn't do it. A few potential tenants have asked what the half wall is about, which means others were wondering but didn't ask. These are the only things I can think of as an objections to the unit. We explain that people's kids can use that half wall area as a play area and have all their toys out and hidden by the half wall, or used as an office space, and people seem to think those are good ideas. I have overheard people discuss using it as a bedroom, but with the rental inspections they don't allow non-bedroom space to be used as a bedroom.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    12y

    @Joey Nakayama I was under the impression with smartmove you don't actually see the details of the credit report, is that true?

  • Joey NakayamaPro Member
    Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 129 posts · 68 votes
    12y

    There are two options with Smartmove. For $25 you'll get a criminal background check, credit score, and an overall recommendation based on criteria you set. For $30 you'll also get a full credit report listing all accounts, payment history, etc. Details here: https://www.mysmartmove.com/tenant-credit-check.ht...

  • Rental Property Investor · Las Palmas de Gran Canaria · Member since 2014 · 220 posts · 256 votes
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    @Kimberly H. Don't be afraid on non-standard lease length. I rarely end up doing 12 months leases as I like to stagger the turnover of my properties within a 4 month window. I don't want them to all hit in june. Most of my leases run 24 +/- 2 months. I've also approached tenants who are nearing their window and if they imply they might not renew, offer them a small discount to extend for 2-3 months depending on m lifestyle needs. No one seems phased by it when I explain why.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    12y

    Thanks @Joey Nakayama and @Shane Pearlman .

    I know when I looked at mysmartmove before there was something I didn't like about it, I think I had thought it didn't give all the credit score history, just that summary thing.  Must have been something else.

  • Englewood, CO · Member since 2014 · 101 posts · 44 votes
    12y

    Hi @Kimberly H.  

    I'm a representative with Transunion SmartMove. To confirm what others have said, the landlord can receive a detailed report for $30 including tradeline information. However, we do mask some personal identifiers such as SSN and DOB for security purposes.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    12y

    @Joey Nakayama I did some research, for $21 NTN does credit report (full if you did the office visit) AND tenant performance/eviction history. What is nicer than with my previous service is that in the report they give you the owner names of your applicants current and previous addresses so you don't need to look that up yourself. They also give maiden names of applicants which is very helpful.  They auto generate a denial letter.  Another $20 gets criminal background; I am new to NTN so I can't speak to their results for criminal background, although they do say they are not instantaneous because they like to check the report for accuracy before sending it, but have always found WAY more info checking online court records for Cook, Kane, and Dupage counties. Found a whole rap sheet on a 40 yr old applicant last year going all the way back to when she was 18 (she provided a previous landlords NTN report that gave her maiden name, the report I pulled using my previous service didn't provide a maiden name ever) checking the Cook/Dupage/Kane county databases with her current and maiden name, all the while my background/criminal check with my previous screening company found me NOTHING. However, if you don't have a business office or separate office in your home with a locked file cabinet and shredder, you won't pass the NTN office inspection. 

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    12y

    @Joey Nakayama 

    see previous

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y

    @Kimberly H.,

    Who was your previous service with? NTN does provide a good report but just remember all screening companies pull their reports from Trans Union and other data brokers.


    Joe Gore

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    12y

    something like  aaacredit. my husband was handling 1 rental when we got married and he used that. 

  • Joey NakayamaPro Member
    Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 129 posts · 68 votes
    12y

    Thanks @Kimberly H.  I hadn't heard of NTN. They sound like a very thorough resource. Can prospective tenants apply and pay their app fee directly through NTN?

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    12y

    NTN, National tenant network ,is not applicant initiated like Ssmartmove, so no @Joey Nakayama 

  • Oak Park, IL · Member since 2014 · 285 posts · 114 votes
    12y

    Which suburbs you are in? I have SFR's, 2 Flats, Condos in Oak Park, and Forest Park, and never have a problem renting quick. Invitation Homes and other professional landlords are generally higher priced. I price at market rate and lower in two weeks if no application filled.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    12y

    @Atul Mohlajee I don't want to get to detailed on this public forum, but I am definitely further out from the city than you. All 3 bedroom SFRs.

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