Purchasing a House all Cash Then Refinancing

Purchasing a House all Cash Then Refinancing

Edison, NJ · Member since 2014 · 80 posts · 19 votes

I would like some expertise on this current issue I'm facing.

I have this house 155,000 purchase price.  I want to do all cash and refinance.

I am going to get an appraisal done Monday, the seller is very confident the appraisal will come out to 200k or above.

Lets say it comes out to 200K, as soon as i close the house i want to refinance the home.

The bank that im using is saying they will give me back 75% of the appraised value.

So say i put 155,000K cash in.

Appraised value 200,000.

Bank gives back 75% of money= 150,000 back.

So in essence i get this house for 5,000 down cash.  

How can i lose here?  What am i missing?  I feel like this is a deal to good to be true.

I have 1 investment home, this will be my second, so im pretty new to this.

Also the appraisal for the house will be the same appraiser the bank will be using when i refinance.

This property is in NJ, i will be holding this property its a 2 family home.

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Joe VilleneuvePro Member
Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
12y

@Neil P. What you just described is our main entrance and exit strategy.  It works only if you get enough cash flow after the refinance though...how much is enough is up to you.  One of the huge benefits of doing this is the ability to reinvest the cash again after you refinance it out.

As @Larry Turowski mentioned, be careful of the appraisal.  They don't always come out the way you need them too, so you need to be really good with your analysis before hand.

Having said that though, in your scenario, getting a lower appraisal doesn't kill the deal (I guess that depends on how low though).  Here's why:

I'm assuming there are no rehab costs in addition to the 155 since you didn't mention them.  With it also assumed then, that the 155 covers all costs (buy/rehab.closing/etc...), then 75% of a 200k appr. would get you 150k...and you'd only have 5k in the deal.  Now you made no mention of what the cash flow would be AFTER you figured in the REFI monthly payments.  If you were making 250/month in CF, then it would take you only 20 months to get the rest of your cash back and be 100% whole again.

In the mean time, you've reinvested 150k of your original cash into the next deal.  If you keep repeating this over and over, you can collect a number of cash flow properties quickly, without ever really spending any cash...since you get all of your cash back with the last refi.

As a side note, if you can get deals, or your refi can substantially increase your LTV at REFI, you may be able to cash out on some of these refis.

Joe Villeneuve
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  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    Hi, I have a question. If rent is 2400/month, mortgage is 1000/month. How do you calculate cash flow? 

    I've heard a lot about the 50% rule. In this case, the expense will be 1200.  And the cash flow will be(2400-1200)-1000=200. So the net cash flow is 200 instead of 1000.  

    Please correct me if I'm wrong. This is my first reply. I just started to learn some rudimentary knowledge about one week ago.

    Thanks!

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 3 votes
    9y

    Jian Miao - you are correct.  Just make sure you are including all the costs in your expenses including estimates for vacancies.

  • Edison, NJ · Member since 2014 · 80 posts · 19 votes
    9y

    Sorry i have never updated my situation but my house came in at 270, i was able to refi after 6 months got all my money out.  Rented currently at 3k.  Made out pretty well, if anyone has questions you can PM me.  Good Luck to you all.

  • Real Estate Agent · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2014 · 473 posts · 230 votes
    9y

    @Neil P. Holy cow Neil, that was quite the pick up. Congratulations!

    Out of curiousity, why didn't you end up doing the DFE to refi sooner?

  • Brier, WA · Member since 2013 · 29 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    @Neil P. what type of loan did you end up using? 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Newport News, VA · Member since 2016 · 128 posts · 54 votes
    8y

    @Neil P. what bank did you use? 

  • Edison, NJ · Member since 2014 · 80 posts · 19 votes
    8y

    Any lenders can help looking to do another cash out  refi my building worth is 470 thats before any reno.

    Purchase price 300.

    50k in reno.  

    I believe after reno property can go up to 550-600.  

  • Edison, NJ · Member since 2014 · 80 posts · 19 votes
    8y

    @Huso Akaratovic pm me ill tell you what bank i did it through. 

  • Edison, NJ · Member since 2014 · 80 posts · 19 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Patricia Vildozo:

    @Neil P. what type of loan did you end up using? 

     I did a full refi on the house.  30 year term.

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    Is the 6 month seasoning requirement still the same if the house is purchased with cash?

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Max T.:

    Is the 6 month seasoning requirement still the same if the house is purchased with cash?

     Yes...especially if it's an all cash deal.

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