Hard Money Loans: How do you afford repayment?

Hard Money Loans: How do you afford repayment?

Tulsa, OK · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 0 votes

How do you properly use a hard money loan to purchase a rental property and then repay the lender what was borrowed plus the interest (or points)? Do you borrow the full amount of the purchase price from the HML or is it "easier" to only borrow enough money to make a down payment on a property?

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Rehabber · Smyrna, GA · Member since 2013 · 864 posts · 510 votes
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You cant really borrow down payment money from a HML, not really what its for. They don't like to be in second position.

The only time a hard money loan makes sense for rental property is if you are rehabbing to refi and keep yourself as Joe said (and occasionally an exceptional deal where the cost of the capital is eclipsed by your increased money costs).  You want longer term money for rentals.  LimaOne Capital and LendingHome both have long term products that came out in May, LimaOne's is better IMO.  Really, though, you want to exhaust bank money before you start using that stuff or commercial loans.

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  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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    Full purchase plus rehab cost, then after rehab is completed and tenant is in place you refinance with a 30 year fixed loan that pays off the HML

  • Tulsa, OK · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 0 votes
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  • Investor · Hillsboro, MO · Member since 2014 · 57 posts · 16 votes
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    Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

    Full purchase plus rehab cost, then after rehab is completed and tenant is in place you refinance with a 30 year fixed loan that pays off the HML

    Joe, Can you refi fairly quickly with a 30 year fixed rate and at what LTV?

  • Rehabber · Smyrna, GA · Member since 2013 · 864 posts · 510 votes
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    You cant really borrow down payment money from a HML, not really what its for. They don't like to be in second position.

    The only time a hard money loan makes sense for rental property is if you are rehabbing to refi and keep yourself as Joe said (and occasionally an exceptional deal where the cost of the capital is eclipsed by your increased money costs).  You want longer term money for rentals.  LimaOne Capital and LendingHome both have long term products that came out in May, LimaOne's is better IMO.  Really, though, you want to exhaust bank money before you start using that stuff or commercial loans.

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Robert Bacher:
    Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

    Full purchase plus rehab cost, then after rehab is completed and tenant is in place you refinance with a 30 year fixed loan that pays off the HML

    Joe, Can you refi fairly quickly with a 30 year fixed rate and at what LTV?

     Almost immediately after rehab at 15year...then refi again in 6 months at 30 year

  • Tulsa, OK · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 0 votes
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    @Darrell Shepherd So a HML is used more to buy a fixer upper, rehab it, and then rent & refi? It wouldn't be a good idea to use it on a turnkey property then, right?

    Also, if buying a fixer upper, what would be the deciding factor on whether just to flip it or rent it? Just personal preference?

    @Joe Villeneuve could you also use a 5/1 ARM right after rehab & then a 30yr?

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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Daryl Canard:

    @Darrell Shepherd So a HML is used more to buy a fixer upper, rehab it, and then rent & refi? It wouldn't be a good idea to use it on a turnkey property then, right?

    Also, if buying a fixer upper, what would be the deciding factor on whether just to flip it or rent it? Just personal preference?

    @Joe Villeneuve could you also use a 5/1 ARM right after rehab & then a 30yr?

     My criteria for sell or hold is how much cash flow the property produces, how much return for flipping the property, and how easy I can replace it with another money maker. And, since I do all my own rehab work, how much blood, sweat and tears are in the property. If it was a simple rehab in a neighborhood hard to rent, I would flip.

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    Flipper/Rehabber · Memphis, TN · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Daryl Canard:

    @Darrell Shepherd So a HML is used more to buy a fixer upper, rehab it, and then rent & refi? It wouldn't be a good idea to use it on a turnkey property then, right?

    Also, if buying a fixer upper, what would be the deciding factor on whether just to flip it or rent it? Just personal preference?

    @Joe Villeneuve could you also use a 5/1 ARM right after rehab & then a 30yr?

     Yes

  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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    Do HML typically finance full purchase price ? Is there standard to provide a percent of purchase price or do they look at it as financing 65-70% of ARV ?
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  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Chris Seveney:
    Do HML typically finance full purchase price ? Is there standard to provide a percent of purchase price or do they look at it as financing 65-70% of ARV ?

     Depends on the lender.  I use ones that do it both ways.

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