you win some and you lose some. I lost this one.

you win some and you lose some. I lost this one.

Investor · Bethel, AK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 852 votes

   My Father and Both grand parents were realtors and Landlords.  I grew up immersed in real estate, dinner talk was easements, right of ways, surveys,  evictions, Etc. Etc.  For many years I avoided real estate.  I had several businesses, worked at some really good w-2 jobs and 10 years ago I decided to try my hand at being a Landlord, while still working my w-2 job.   Real estate was not new to me, and I've had some pretty good success both buying and selling, and buy and hold. 

  So jump to today.  I have no bad debt, and work 2 jobs (70 hrs. a week) to save money to invest.  I buy 1-2 properties a year, mostly duplexes.  Life is good Right?  Then how did I fall into this one?

  While getting my taxes ready for my CPA, I notice one duplex had not only fallen short of its projection for 2015, it was below its 2014 figures.  Curious I checked out the year ending statement and discovered one of the units had gone vacant in May and re rented in late June or July.  The new tenant failed to put the gas and electric in his name.  The landlord revert left them in my name.  Both the PM, and the bookkeeper (she pays the bills) for the PM failed to notice.  Total loss is $540 dollars.  If you are only getting $100 dollars a month CF.(lucky I do better than that) That's 5+ months right out of your pocket. 

  The real error here was me because I too failed to notice.  I get one check, and a monthly statement for each of 5 rental units from this same PM. company.  I never looked closely at the Statements, just filed them and cashed the check.  SHAME on all of us, But DOUBLE SHAME on me!!  Its MY rental and MY money.  Its now 6 months later and having just discovered this goof up I will need to make a decision as to weather or not I can collect the back utilities or not, or just bite the bullet, take the loss now and make him put the utilities in his name immediately.

 I know I have some options here, but the reason I'm writing this isn't to discuss them, but to bring to light a point.  Every day I see people on here focusing on the 2% rule, the 50% rule, the good tenant, the bad tenant, this problem, or that problem.  Many people on BP want to wholesale or some other real estate related job while also investing, or they are focused on learning everything they can about RE, what to buy when to buy or where to buy.   It made me think about how I missed the utility thing.  I was focused on buying new properties, 2 Jobs, and everything else under the sun.  I was not watching my rental's income. POOR management on MY part.

  IMO the lesson here is pretty big.  You first and foremost must manage and oversee your investments.  Its no different than owning your own business, in fact it is your business. Just the same as a restaurant, or car wash.  You have to be aware of, and watch everything about every door you have.  It is as important to be on top of your rental after you have bought it, as it is to knowing a bunch of rules, good locations, or how to correctly analyze a property before you buy it.

  Its my idea a newbie should study as hard if not harder at how he is going to manage a property as he does at the metrics that go into buying that property.  After all he is going to spend way more time trying to make it pay than he did buying it.  Every property is a winner and every property is looser. ( sorry Kenny)  The difference is the management.  If the property is purchased right its easier to make it a winner, and the rewards are greater but make no mistake it STILL can fail as well.  The question then becomes can you afford the mistakes of learning to manage your properties?? 

Just my .02

RR               

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Residential Real Estate Broker · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2016 · 506 posts · 311 votes
10y

Doesn't the lease require the resident to have the utilities in their name?

Ours do, with specific wording that they are responsible for utilities during the occupancy.

The charges still belong to the resident, notwithstanding the delayed billing.

Time to settle up!

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  • Hanford, CA · Member since 2013 · 5k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    Oh I didn't take it as a whine but a "don't do what I did move". Even those of us who have been in the game for what seem like foever but just 5 years and 15 tenants make mistakes. Heck I signed a buyers agreement for 120 days on my 9th purchase. Bad idea lol. 

    I love the fact that we share the good and the bad. LOVED IT!! Thanks again for sharing.

  • Real Estate Investor · Playa Del Rey, CA · Member since 2016 · 10 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    thanks, very good points in your post.

  • Rental Property Investor · Upstate, NY · Member since 2012 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    Agreed your post is a great wake-up call for attention to details.

    We stole a 6-plex because the sellers PM had created a toxic environment & as a result had 2 vacancies that apparently sat empty for 3 years. The pipes froze in one unit & the other was in poor repair. The PM also created a very high turnover with subsequent damages because of poor tenant screening. His son later confided that the Seller was dealing with a acrimonious & expensive divorce, was transferred out of state & had literally given up. The property became nothing but a large tax deduction rather than a legacy rental for his kid.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Beaufort, SC · Member since 2016 · 53 posts · 41 votes
    10y

    Great post!  Please give yourself a break. Mistakes can/will happen. Especially for someone who has a lot going on....like yourself. I agree with Peter, lesson learned and although costly, certainly cheaper than most real estate mistakes made.  If you're intent on recouping some/all of the $500 consider the following:  Both your property management company and your CPA Firm likely carry "Errors and Omissions" insurance. They'd be foolish not to.  You might want to consider having a conversation(s) regarding reimbursement. If they have integrity they'll quickly do the right thing, apologize, and make you whole.  That is should they value your business and/or value their reputation in the communityl.  If they don't do the right thing then consider small claims court. Here in Beaufort, SC, they call it Magistrate Court.  It's a very cheap and easy process. Just the act of filing should spur these companies settle asap.      

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    Rental Property Investor · St Augustine, FL · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    @Ralph R.

    Hi Ralph

    I feel your pain.  For so many years I would fall in love with properties.  Now I fall in love with the numbers.  You are 100% correct when you say run it like a business.  We all fail to shift our thoughts from landlord to Asset manager, huge distinction.  I am in that process right now, and it is extremely difficult.  Any investment you have has to be guarded and nurtured for a good return, I just think real estate has so many hidden benefits.  People focus so much on Fix and Flip, and not growing their business.  I agree with your sentiments

    Good Luck

    Gino

  • Investor · Bethel, AK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 852 votes
    10y

    Thanks @Gino Barbaromany newbies get cought up in this rule or that rule. Flipping vs buy and hold. What kind of property to buy or where to buy it. The hard cold truth is there is no one secret or magic formula. You have to change your entire way of thinking.   RR

  • Investor · Bethel, AK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 852 votes
    10y

    thanks @Kevin Prentice  I'm not beating myself up to much. After all it's more than $500 dollars to fill my boat up. I'm more interested in conveying the idea that it takes more than the right numbers or right property or location to stay ahead in realestate or any other worth while business venture. While the rewards are great in realestate the pit falls are numerous. I used this example because I didn't want to admit  to some of the things I screwed up when I started out.   RR

  • Investor · Eagle River, AK · Member since 2015 · 122 posts · 45 votes
    10y

    Hey Ralph R, I think you should be a teacher!! What a great post.

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